Hooniverse Wagon Wednesday – A Cadillac Fleetwood Wagon, with Provenance?


Welcome to Hooniverse Wagon Wednesday, and today I found this Cadillac Fleetwood Wagon that may have been owned by the musical Jackson Five family. Well, that is what this blog had to say about it back in June of 2007, when it was sold by Vintage Motors of Sarasota. Even if it doesn’t have a celebrity connection, this car stands on its own as Hooniversalustworthy!


The 1971 Fleetwood was the largest Cadillac offered that year, and offered a new pillared hardtop sedan styled after the 1940 Fleetwood Series 60. It was both classic, yet modern at the time of introduction, and carried on until Cadillac downsized their models for the 1977 model year. Unlike other Cadillac Wagon Conversions, this car was equipped with the equally new for 1971 GM Clam Shell Tail Gate, with the window that retracted into the roof, and the lower half that disappeared into the floor.

I was to bring to your attention the interior though. Long before Leather Upholstery became the default luxury seating surface, Luxury Cars came equipped with “Brocade” cloth during the late 60’s and early 70’s. The intricate patterns within the fabric were suppose to mimic the clothing and seating surfaces once thought to be used by French or British nobility. It made for a richer looking interior without adding a great deal of expense.

This car also includes a Black & White television located between the front seat backs, and whether or not it works isn’t disclosed. The listing states that there is some minor rust issues, along with a couple of minor interior blemishes, but this would really be a show stopper with a little work. As of this writing, the high bid is $6,600, but the reserve has yet to be met.

So I have to ask this: Would you buy it? And if you would, what do you think it will go for? As always, I look forward to your responses. See the Ebay Listing here.

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  1. Black Steelies Avatar

    I've seen this for sale several times. The tv in the back is slick, but Xzibit says you ain't cool unless you have screens in the way back so the people behind you have something to look at.

  2. muthalovin Avatar

    Brocade – Its like a ice capade, but with bros instead of ice.

  3. Maymar Avatar
    Maymar

    If I bought this (which I'd want to), I'd have to resist the urge to try and start up a fledging rap career (in spite of my total lack of skills), just so I could get this in a video. So much cooler than an Escalade.
    Plus, if I paint it black, cover up the rear quarter windows, and throw on some landau bars, I might be able to get my fiancee's approval by convincing her it's a hearse.

    1. FЯeeMan Avatar
      FЯeeMan

      Try to convince her that in the 70's hearses were painted yellowish-light brownish-baby pukish-greenish? And that the windows remain windows because it was really used as an "indoor" flower car for when the weather was bad?

      1. Maymar Avatar
        Maymar

        Ooh, go halfway on that – paint it ludicrously dark brown, since the primary colours in the 70s seemed to have been putrid orange, brown, and baby-puke green.

        1. FuzzyPlushroom Avatar
          FuzzyPlushroom

          I'd definitely leave the windows intact and paint 'er Darkest Mahogany.

    2. Black Steelies Avatar

      In that case you should just buy a hearse. I'm impressed your fiancee would rather a hearse than this beautiful wagon.

      1. Maymar Avatar
        Maymar

        I'm open to that idea also, although I figure this is more useful than a gothic sedan delivery.

        1. Black Steelies Avatar

          It's as useful as any pickup with a tonneau. And it's even got rollers for easy loading!

  4. Rust-MyEnemy Avatar

    So Guido the killer pimp gets fed up with the Chicago scene and moves out into the scenery, peddling his voluptuous, nubile wares to the country set.
    I like to think this is what he'd rock, pre SUV. Give or take a little leopardskin.

  5. OA5599 Avatar
    OA5599

    Needs more fake woodgrain.

    1. Joe Btfsplk Avatar
      Joe Btfsplk

      Needs steer horns as a hood ornament.

  6. Mr_Biggles Avatar
    Mr_Biggles

    Swanky. And very large. I like the retractable clamshell bits, but I don't totally get how they work. Is that your only option for opening the back, or does the whole thing also swing out or down?
    The brocade reminds me of various bits of upholstery and bed covers that were always in evidence at my grandmother's place when I was a kid. Maybe she was trying for the same thing. However once your brocade gets a bit torn and frayed, it seems to me the connection with French and British nobility gets another step removed. Kind of like being a bit down on your luck and finding some once nice clothing in the dumpster that was thought to have been used by French and British nobility. Sort of brings the rest of the car down a bit for me.

    1. dwegmull Avatar
      dwegmull

      Maintaining an old castle with all its furniture is very costly. Nowadays, a lot of that former fine furniture does look like this car interior, unfortunately.

    2. LTDScott Avatar

      I believe that's the only way it opens.

    3. OA5599 Avatar
      OA5599

      From what i remember of a former neighbor's car from when I was a kid, you could open the glass, which retracted into the roof, or open the glass and the gate, the latter of which swung down into a compartment in front of the rear bumper. There really wasn't a reason for the tailgate to swing out, because it never gets in the way of climbing into the wayback.

    4. Mad_Hungarian Avatar
      Mad_Hungarian

      This is a very well done clamshell conversion because it has the front facing third seat (hence the 70/30 split second seat). Not all of 'em carry that over from the donor wagon. The clamshell was GM's 1971-76 answer to Ford's "Two Way Magic Doorgate." On the one hand, it slid out of the way entirely to make for very easy loading. On the other hand, to get the window to slide into the roof required a sloped design in back that cut down on cargo room vs. the Ford and Mopar competition, and you didn't have a tailgate to lower to help carry oversized long cargo. Ah yes, those were the days, when finding new and innovative ways to design station wagons was top priority . . .

      1. Mr_Biggles Avatar
        Mr_Biggles

        That was going to be my next question: what about the third row? As a kid I had more appreciation for the rear facing 3rd row. I haven't been in one for years, but I think as an adult facing backwards may cause me to feel a bit ill.

  7. njhoon Avatar
    njhoon

    I would buy it if I won the mega millions last week or any of them. This would be fun as heck to cruise around in plus I am a sucker for Caddy's and wagons so the two together…. As for what I think it would go for is somewhere just south of 10K, if that high.

  8. tonyola Avatar
    tonyola

    Perhaps the nicest of the big Caddy wagons was the mid-'70s Castilian. The rear section was blended in better. It also had a top-hinged rear door rather than the GM clamshell arrangement.
    <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2578/4149026489_8c61b66dba_z.jpg?zz=1"&gt;

    1. Smells_Homeless Avatar
      Smells_Homeless

      Whoa. And that's from the factory, not a conversion?

      1. tonyola Avatar
        tonyola

        It's an aftermarket conversion – very pricey and it was popular with the celebrity/Vegas crowd. I'm not a big fan of big malaise Cadillacs but I'd make an exception for this.

        1. Smells_Homeless Avatar
          Smells_Homeless

          So I'm gonna have to go to Vegas to dig one up? I think I could manage that.

    2. highmileage_v1 Avatar
      highmileage_v1

      Vera nice. Crap, I miss the Eldo sled.

    3. Black Steelies Avatar

      Elvis had one if I'm not mistaken.
      Hey, this one's missing the luggage rack!!

      1. tonyola Avatar
        tonyola

        They were typically built without a rack, though I'm sure the builders would put one on if you ponied up for it.
        <img src="http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B4169.jpg&quot; width=500>

    4. Mad_Hungarian Avatar
      Mad_Hungarian

      The Castilian looks cool but makes a poor wagon. Unlike most other Cad wagon conversions, the Castilian preserved the sedan rear bumper and gas tank/gas filler location (tank under the trunk floor, centrally located filler behind the plate). The result is a very high liftover height and a very high cargo floor height. It's almost more like some hatchback crossovers of today. The clamshell wagon has a sidesaddle tank in the left rear fender.

      1. tonyola Avatar
        tonyola

        Yes, it had a high floor but if you can pay double the price of a Fleetwood Brougham, you can afford to hire someone to do real hauling for you. You're not going to loan this out to the neighbors to help them with their move to a new apartment, right? Practicality be damned if you look as sleek and fabulous as the Castilian.
        <img src="http://i54.tinypic.com/2ugfmty.jpg"&gt;

  9. CJinSD Avatar
    CJinSD

    I was interested right up until the Jackson 5 were brought into it. Their affiliation will forever cloud the car's value.

    1. Black Steelies Avatar

      One pedo and a sister with a malfunctioning wardrobe and you spoil the whole bushel.

      1. tonyola Avatar
        tonyola

        But plenty of room for Propofol for even the most sleep-challenged.

  10. ZomBee Racer Avatar

    I like it. I like it bunches.
    I wouldn't do a damn thing to it except add some fuzzy dice and curb feelers. Maybe a set of glasspacks…

    1. Smells_Homeless Avatar
      Smells_Homeless

      When a car is this long, mufflers become optional.

  11. CptSevere Avatar

    Wow, I'm really impressed. It's an exact cross between the '71 Pontiac Safari wagon we had as a kid with the clamshell tailgate, and the '71 Caddy Fleetwood 75 limo I had ten years ago. Hopefully, the clamshell tailgate doesn't stick like ours did. I have vivid memories of my mom working the key, and me lifting the gate up out of the floor. I agree with Zombee, it needs glasspacks so you can hear that 472. My limo had a turbo muffler, it sounded like a yacht when idling.

  12. Charles_Barrett Avatar
    Charles_Barrett

    So, uh, the clamshell tailgate has a little strip of faux wood along its lower edge, but the flanks of the wagon are body-color? WTF?

  13. Van Sarockin Avatar
    Van Sarockin

    Flower car that took a slow tour of the limo department? I don't really like it, but have never even heard this whispered of.

  14. Paul_y Avatar
    Paul_y

    I love it.
    I love the giant malaise Caddies, however. They are positively baroque in their self-parody.

  15. Rust-MyEnemy Avatar

    Of course, having a TV in the back is one thing, but…
    <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/4001572894_1b251e5e91.jpg&quot; width="350/">
    Is quite another.

  16. dukeisduke Avatar
    dukeisduke

    It looks like they did a great job integrating the B-C-body clamshell tailgate. BTW, those were available as a powered or manual gate.