Hooniverse Asks- Should Ford Give the Thunderbird Another Go?

Ford has had a lot of storied names in its history. Some seem so faded in memory that it’s difficult to conjure up an image when brought to mind. Can you picture a Pilot? How about the Corsair? Now admittedly those were both Fords not sold in the U.S., but we’ve had our share of Fords that have come and gone ourselves- Torino, Maverick, Galaxie, etc.. Sometimes Ford brings them back, and today we’re seeing the Fiesta again after a 20+ year absence. Also, after a short hiatus, the Taurus name has returned, although the car that carries it looks little like the Tauri of old.

One name that carries with it a trunk-full of Ford history is the of Thunderbird, but today Ford dealers’ new car inventories are devoid of that noble marque. Shouldn’t Ford do something about that?
The Thunderbird first arrived as a two-seat personal coupe in 1955. Ford sought to provide the car buying public with a less-expensive alternative to their Lincoln Continental Mark II- at that time the most expensive car in Ford’s stable. Over the years the Thunderbird gained a back seat; grew suicide rear doors; shared its platform with the descendants  of the Mark II; got big; got small; got aero; got turbo’d; went retro; and finally went out of production.
What was once described as a personal car of distinction, is today a pretty good parable of extinction. In determining its last iteration, Ford went back to the Thunderbird’s roots and created a car with two-seats and portholes in the removable hardtop roof. Perhaps they had forgotten the limited sales of those original two-seat ’55 – ’57 birds, and how the 4-seat ’58 doubled the previous year’s sales? Regardless, that T-bird at least looked the part, which is more than can be said for some of the cars from the seventies and early eighties.
It wasn’t until the mid-eighties that the Thunderbird – much like Aerosmith – had a resurgence in popularity due to the fox platform-based Aero-bird. That car’s success begat the Super Bird, but by then the market for big coupes was but a shadow of its former size and development dollars went not to that car’s replacement, but to yet another profitable and trendy SUV. In 1998, for the first time in 43 years Ford’s lineup did not include  the Thunderbird name. Riding the wave of nostalgia that had at least kept the Mustang from a similar fate (remember the Probe?) Ford tried again in 2002 with that ill fated two-seat rehash. The general tepidity of that car doomed it to failure and once again in 2006 the Ford brochures were 100% T-bird free.
But with such history, and a number of notable and desirable cars built over better than a half century, Ford can’t let the Thunderbird name, nor its general class of Automobile run fallow can they? Shouldn’t Ford bring back the T-Bird? And if they did, which one should they build- the two-seat original, the grand mal four door of the late sixties, or the heavy but but quick muscle coupe of the eighties? Or maybe it could take on a whole new persona? Either way what do you think it should be?
Image sources: [The Old Car Manual Project, Wikipedia]

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51 responses to “Hooniverse Asks- Should Ford Give the Thunderbird Another Go?”

  1. muthalovin Avatar

    Ah, the T-Bird. Previous incarnations were great, until the newest post-modern-retro-future-mess. To this day (it has had plenty of time to "grown on me"), I still do not approve. Granted, the last decade was all about modern interpretation of retro vehicles, so Ford was just trying to cash in on that. I would say that Ford can bring back the Thunderbird, but it will more than likely fit the "theme" of this decade, meaning it will probably be an E-Bird. Shame.

  2. lilwillie Avatar

    Sure, why not. They can't screw it up worse than the last time, can they?

    1. jjd241 Avatar
      jjd241

      Take the Mustang platform, maybe stretch it just a few inches, give it that touch of "Personal Luxury", just a touch of retro (not as much as the last one?) and LET'ER RIP!

  3. nofrillls Avatar

    Maybe. I think there's still a market for luxo-coupes, btu it has to be a really great offerign for the price. If they can make a Ford Fusion-quality car that looks as hot as the CTS, is similarly-appointed and performs nearly as well while pricing it competitively then they have a shot. Remove any of these factors and it will belly-flop…again.
    Oh, and they should skip the retro thing. The Mustang has been successful with this but the last T-Bird attempt was not, and Ford isn't positioned well enough to be pressing its luck these days. One retro model per brand, I say.

  4. Tim Odell Avatar
    Tim Odell

    The T-Bird is most successful as a slightly gaudy boulevardier, with only the most tangential of sporting pretensions. In its most true form, it'd be like a Solara or Lexus SC.
    Were Ford to bring about a 2013 T-Bird, it'd be a big hardtop convertible coupe based on the current Taurus platform. Price it above the Mustang, with no base/stripper models. Lowest spec would still have leather and all the nice stuff. The most common colors would a deep sky blue with light tan interior. Run the 6-speed auto with the 300hp Duratec or a ~360hp Ecoboost.
    The "Kinetic" design language would have to go. Not sure if neo-retro would be the best path, but it'd need sheetmetal that's distinctive enough that it doesn't just look like a 2-door Taurus. The designers' work would be cut out for them in trying to make that very substantial, heavy platform look at least a bit graceful as a 2-door.

  5. mdharrell Avatar

    1964 and 1965?

  6. JeepyJayhawk Avatar

    Where would it fit in the lineup? Would it be a luxo sport coupe with a back seat? Some sort of cruiser? Somthing bigger than the Taurus?
    I think do something to compete with the Corvette and maybe. Drop that big 5.0 or the Boss in something nimble. Draw on that heritage, but bring old jet era design forward. Make it look like something that could go into space or deflect radar guns.
    Maybe I am too locked into design mode, but that at least sorta makes sense to me. Make it stand out or don't do it at all.

  7. tonyola Avatar

    I know there are still T-Bird fans who mourn the switch to four seats for 1958. But that was almost 53 years ago. They weren't exactly lining up in droves when the two-seater was revived for 2002, were they? Nope, two-seater is out. As is the four-door. The Thunderbird sedan was a Lee Iaccoca-inspired aberration which sold decently for only two years, then lingered on unloved and unbought through 1971. If there is to be a new T-bird, it should be a fairly pricey luxury four-seat coupe based on the Fusion or even Taurus platform. A soft-top convertible should be an option. Price it around $32K-$35K for starters. Make a special coupe with SHO goodies. Leave off the vinyl roof with "S"-shaped landau irons though.

  8. Jeff Glucker Avatar
    Jeff Glucker

    ohmygod….
    visions of my dads 1997 Cougar are dancing sideways in my head… I learned to drive RWD in New England weather in a Cougar

  9. Josh Avatar
    Josh

    Here is an Idea. Take the Euro only Ford Focus Convertible and put unique sheetmetal on it and there you go a T-Bird. It doesn't need to be all that sporty just a stylish cruiser in the way the VW Eos is sans the males not apply moniker.

  10. soo΄pәr-bādd75 Avatar
    soo΄pәr-bādd75

    I think a midsize RWD 4 door coupe (think Passat CC, M-B CLS style) would be pretty awesome as a neo T-Bird. The days of the large "personal luxury coupe" are pretty much gone, as most people just like the extra convenience of the 2 extra doors. Thunderbird would, in my mind, be available in Ecoboost V6 and 5.0L V8 flavors, with a somewhat sporty 4 wheel independent suspension. Space for 4, with a console in the rear, and lots of gadgets would spice it up a bit. They could even bring back the Marauder name for Mercury, and Continental for Lincoln, but those would have to be taken up the scale a bit with real wood and aluminum interior bits, as well as a little different interior look for each brand (which seems to be hard for Ford these days).

    1. TurboBrick Avatar
      TurboBrick

      Best idea so far! Taurus-based 4dr "coupe" with suicide doors, now there's your T-bird for the future.

  11. AteUpWithMotor Avatar
    AteUpWithMotor

    I have no doubt at all that Ford will resurrect the Thunderbird sooner or later. I don't see a strong market for it right now; the market for big coupes without premium German badges evaporated 15 years ago, and it doesn't seem to have returned.
    I think calling a Fusion/Taurus/Mondeo-based coupe a Thunderbird would be pointless. I don't see a market for it, and it would just irritate purists. Likewise a Focus-based Thunderbird.
    The point of the Thunderbird, in the periods when it sold well, was that it looked like either an elaborate custom job or a show car, but without the slapdash build and tons of lead. It was mechanically pretty ordinary — even Ford was very uneasy when people tried to call the Little Bird a sports car — but people didn't care, because it looked cool, inside and out. (I think one of the failings of later T-Birds was too much low-rent, parts-bin crap inside.)
    I don't think the Thunderbird needs to be overly sporting, although given that it would inevitably butt heads with the premium German brands on price, I don't think buyers would accept the floppy chassis and body flex of the 2002-2005 car. It does need to have four seats, though, or it won't sell any better than the last two-seater.
    Inevitable history plug:

    http://ateupwithmotor.com/sports-cars-and-muscle-http://ateupwithmotor.com/luxury-and-personal-lux

  12. ZomBee Racer Avatar

    "It wasn’t until the mid-eighties that the Thunderbird – much like Aerosmith – had a resurgence in popularity due to the fox platform-based Aero-bird."
    You forget that the 7th generation Torino-Birds (1977-1979) were by far the most popular Birds and the biggest sales hit, selling 956,789 in just 3 years. They were EVERYWHERE at one time. A pretty decent car too.
    We had a highly optioned Dealer demo unit, a '79 Heritage with a Town Landau roof and T-tops, and power everything. It was THE car to have. Quadrasonic sound with an 8-track. God I miss that car.

    1. AteUpWithMotor Avatar
      AteUpWithMotor

      Thoroughly gruesome cars, but people liked them (a) because they were a cheaper version of the equally popular but far pricier Lincoln Mark V and (b) they were a lot cheaper than the 1972-1976 generation. They were essentially a fancier version of the Torino Elite, with prices repositioned to compete with the Chevrolet Monte Carlo.
      It's hard to see one today without either giggling or shuddering (possibly both), but they came close to outselling the most 'classic' generations put together…

      1. BrianTheHoon Avatar

        Indeed. Whenever I see those cars an image of the driver with a polyester earth tone suit, superwide tie, creative comb-over to cover his balding pate and chomping on a big cheap smelly cigar pops in my head.

      2. tonyola Avatar
        tonyola

        Yeah, at one time those LTD II-Birds were everywhere. In 1977 and 1978, Ford easily sold over 300,000 in each year.
        In the late' 70s, I was looking for a car to replace my rapidly-dying, worn-out '65 Mustang. I had a friend who kept trying to sell me his clean '75 Ford Elite – 460, absolutely loaded, red with a white vinyl top. Though it would have made for a comfortable cruiser, I just couldn't see myself driving (and feeding) that ugly, over-decorated, and overstuffed hogmobile. I ended up buying a nicely-equipped, low-mileage '75 Duster 360 instead.

      3. ZomBee Racer Avatar

        Yeow, gruesome seems a bit harsh. I thought the 77-78s had ugly taillights, but they fixed that in 79 and I finally found them quite handsome.
        True, we first test drove a used Lincoln Mark IV and a Mark V, but cost wasn't the real issue (ours cost $12k, double what the base car went for), the Lincolns were just too much car. Cumbersome and thirsty.
        The Thunderchicken came across as a slightly edited version, same stuff in half the acreage. Both basic cars were standard Ford fare, no worse than anything else being put out at the time. Which may not say much until you put it in context.
        So I see your shudder & giggle, and raise you a drool and a pine. Then again, I have always liked Gremlins, Pintos and Couriers so my taste is somewhat suspect (tainted with a dollop of rosy malaise).

        1. tonyola Avatar

          "The Thunderchicken came across as a slightly edited version, same stuff in half the acreage. Both basic cars were standard Ford fare, no worse than anything else being put out at the time."
          But they were worse in some ways. Ford was probably the most cynical automaker around in the mid-70s in taking old, dated platforms and slathering them up in gingerbread. GM, for all its faults, was still very adept at disguising the fact that their personal luxury models like the Monte Carlo and Grand Prix were basically tarted-up Colonnade cars. Check the right options, and the MC and GP could be turned into fairly capable and decent-handling road cars that no-one would mistake for a Chevelle or LeMans. The '77 T-Bird (and the Cougar XR7 clone) was obviously nothing more than an LTD II (the new, cynical name for a '72 Torino) with different front and rear end caps and a modified roofline. The sharing of body panels was visibly blatant and Ford didn't care a bit as long as they sold. It's the same philosophy that made the Granada and Monarch – overstuffed "euro"-boxy bodies on a 1966 Falcon base. Awful cars, all.

    2. SSurfer321 Avatar

      That car is a guilty pleasure of mine. Baby Blue like pictured but cut a California Top into it.

      1. ZomBee Racer Avatar

        SSHHHH!!! (You and I are about to get lynched)
        🙂

    3. dukeisduke Avatar

      Oh yeah. I knew someone that had a '77, Dove Gray, and fully loaded, with a 400. Cushy car from the disco era.

  13. BrianTheHoon Avatar

    I’m one of those guys who lament Ford’s decision to put a back seat in the T-Bird. In my opinion, they should have kept the car a 2-seat Vette fighter. When Ford first announced the retro Bird for 2002, I was very excited and, like everyone else, was very disappointed with what they built. That, however, didn’t stop throngs of people from pre-ordering these cars and paying through-the-nose dealer markups for the privilege of a 6-month wait for delivery. That tells me that there is still tremendous cache to this mark. That said, Ford should NOT attempt another heritage T-Bird but they should, and likely will at some point, bring back the Bird.
    My opinion is they should bring back a two-seat bird, period. On this, I am of two schizophrenic schools of thought:
    1) Build a very sporty two-seat smaller GT-like car, a la the Benz SL – OR
    2) Build an honest two-seat sports car, preferably a mid-engined one – think a capable but far less expensive Ford GT (more to the point, something slightly larger than the Fiero)
    While I would be thrilled to see either one, my preference would be option 2 and ideally this car could be configured with the 300HP V6 from the Mustang or the SHO mill for the faster version, both of which would have semi-luxurious interiors (leather, Sync, etc) but it would also be interesting if they sold a TackPack version that is stripped-down with nicely-bolstered, highly adjustable MANUAL cloth seats, added lightness wherever they can and maybe even the EcoBoost I4 as an option.
    Ford will not succeed if they try to slot a new Bird against the Vette, so this car should not play in that sandbox. If they want to compete against the Vette they should bring back the GT.

    1. cap'n fast Avatar
      cap’n fast

      ford bringing out a decently priced t-bird based on the GT(<$95K) would force GM into bringing out the mid motor vette. that would make things interesting. a body in white version which can be tracked out would be very nice.
      '66, '84, '87, '88, '95 t-birds been there done that. found a pristine '98 Mark VIII base model cheap. best t-bird ever made. might just have to keep this one for a while. well made car.tad heavy, may have to add some lightness to the mix.

  14. Alff Avatar
    Alff

    Only if it's a hardtop sedan with vinyl roof, landau bars, suicide rear doors, disappearing headlights and a stonkin' V8

  15. BrianTheHoon Avatar

    You are on FIRE today! Where'd you get those mad p-shop skillz???

    1. Peter Tanshanomi Avatar
      Peter Tanshanomi

      I have to confess, it's my job. Well, one part of my job, anyway. To be honest, most of the stuff I do for fun online is pretty sucky compared to what my employer pays me to do (which is all expected to look totally un-retouched). But that kind of work takes me a while. Since I am usually stealing time from said employer when I do crazy car pasteups, I try to knock them out pretty quickly. You'll notice that they are usually very low res, and often grayscale, so I don't have to worry about blending colors properly.
      I've done a lot of this sort of stuff. Maybe I'll post an online retrospective gallery sometime, if the Hooniverse honchos wouldn't find that too self-serving.

      1. coupeZ600 Avatar

        Great Job! And I'd love to see a gallery, self-serving or not…….

      2. Tim Odell Avatar
        Tim Odell

        Go for it.
        Yes, we convene editorial meetings in the comments.

  16. Kogashiwa Avatar
    Kogashiwa

    For fifty years Ford had no idea what the T-bird was supposed to be, why would they start now?
    Anyway all the new “coupes” nowadays are just flattened sedans.

    1. tonyola Avatar

      I think Ford had a pretty good idea about what the T-bird was from 1983 through 1988. I would personally love to have a nice '87-'88 Turbo coupe with a 5-speed.

      1. dukeisduke Avatar

        It was a nice car in theory, but having driven a friend's '85 Turbo 5-speed, in practice they were clunky. Not to mention the turbos were not durable, leaking seals dumping oil into the intake tract.

      2. P161911 Avatar

        I liked the 89-96 Version even better. It had IRS and available 310+ ft. lb of torque with a supercharged V-6 with a 5-speed.

        1. tonyola Avatar
          tonyola

          But the '89 also gained 300+ lbs. in weight and that blown v6 wasn't exactly the paragon of durability. In fact, some Ford engineers were fired because the '89 Bird ended up being 500 lbs. over the target weight. I also prefer the '88 styling to the '89.

  17. Tripl3fast Avatar

    The car can look like anything, just bring the name back. I do not like the current crop of Fusion, Flex, Edge. It started with Tempo and moved to Contour then Probe and now with Fusion and Flex and Edge. With all the great names they have like Fairlane, Galaxie, Torino doing nothing, why not use them. They are proper names in every sense of the word.

  18. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    My mother has one of the retro-Birds (I think it's a 2005 model). Not bad… the styling is a little bland, the motor is uninteresting (4.5 liter, I think), and the inside is all plastic.
    Could have been done better.

  19. Josh Avatar
    Josh

    Something tells me that if you slapped a Nash nameplate on that they would sell. Heck I might buy one. Awesome.

  20. sam Avatar
    sam

    I think ford should make a car that is basically a miata but with some american injected attitude. Maybe they should just rebadge miatas and have hard tops with little round windows. Maybe they should make an all wheel drive turbo fiesta and call it a thunder bird. I don't know. Thunderbird name is very tarnished and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

  21. dukeisduke Avatar

    Another T-Bird? No. The last one was an embarrassment. Overexposed before it even hit the street, and then plagued with early teething issues, like the cooling fan.

  22. From_a_Buick_6 Avatar

    I really don't think there's room for a Thunderbird coupe in Ford's lineup alongside the Mustang. But four door Thunderbird on a modified Mustang platform? That could be interesting. But even then, that would be a hard sell between the Taurus and Fusion.
    Hell, they probably should have just called the new Taurus the Thunderbird. And the Fusion should be called the Taurus, because the name "Fusion" is just dumb.

  23. PapayaSF Avatar
    1. Tim Odell Avatar
      Tim Odell

      Whoa.
      That's going up this afternoon.

  24. SVT2888 Avatar

    Took the words right out of my mouth!
    Though I can see why we think similarly as I'm the owner of a slightly less than stock 97 T-bird

  25. Tomsk Avatar

    Wowza. That makes my brain all tingly…

  26. Maymar Avatar

    That's more or less in line with what I was thinking also – most of the market for luxury coupes nowadays swings towards the Infiniti G37/Cadillac CTS/BMW 3-series class since the personal coupe market has moved on to the crossover. The car you outlined would fit nicely in that segment, although I'd lean towards using the Cougar name given its origins as a nicer Mustang. Of course, the T-Bird works since Mercury's borderline dead brand walking.

  27. Buickboy92 Avatar
    Buickboy92

    I say build both!

  28. JeepyJayhawk Avatar

    I like it

  29. P161911 Avatar

    Just saw the shooting brake post. Ford should make it a modern take on the 61-63 T-Bird, since they are still into the whole retro thing.

  30. tiberiuswise Avatar

    Does Ford need a flagship coupe right now. No. Lincoln does, but that's just not gonna happen without a Ford stablemate. The real question is will Ford need a flagship coupe in three or four years? I sure hope so. This will depend far more on the economy and our zeitgeist than anything within Ford's control.
    I don't care if it is based on a stretched Fusion or shortened Taurus class chassis. It should be aimed at people who want a sporty yet comfortable coupe or convertible but don't want the Mullet-stang connatations. Mustang and Camaro are riding high right now in public opinion. Kids are starting to appreciate them even more and aging boomers have no shame about their love for their mid-life crisismobile. This will not last forever. The ponies will have to find their own way into 2020.
    Any future Thunderbird should be more aware of where the SL, 6 series or A5 are headed. Can Ford build such a car? They have the technology. If they have the appetite and can execute the plan, the car will deserve the name Thunderbird. If they can leverage this into a new Mark IX, they might even have a real business case for it.

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