Hooniverse Asks- Ferrari California, Collectable or Forgettable?

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While other car makers have seen their brand equity rise and fall like the tides (can’t explain it!), Ferrari seems to have long ago set the gold standard, and has yet to see its desirability wan. A good bit of that is due to the marque manufacturing some amazing road hardware, and backing their performance with a serious long term commitment to racing. Another reason is company’s long held belief that their products should be exclusive in both pricing and production numbers. That’s helped keep the values on even used Ferraris pretty healthy with few exceptions.

Some of those few exceptions might be considered to be the autotragic-equipped 400i tourer, the 2+sort of 2 Mondial, and potentially the subject of today’s Hooniverse Asks- the 2008-present California. Already on the market for 5 years, the California seems almost to be Ferrari’s red headed stepchild as it has received little attention to date with the exception of a minor power bump and corresponding weight loss program, and more recently a higher output HS model.

The thing of it is, while the California is Ferrari’s first road car with a front-mounted V8, their first with direct injection, and the first with a folding metal roof, that all doesn’t seem enough to build an aura of excitement around the ride as does the mid-engined and V12 cars. Maybe it’s the fact that the California was positioned as a tourer and not a balls to the wall sports car, but the question remains, will it find its place in the future, or will it suffer a fate similar to the 400i? What do you think, is Ferrari’s California collectible, or forgettable?

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40 responses to “Hooniverse Asks- Ferrari California, Collectable or Forgettable?”

  1. krazykarguy Avatar
    krazykarguy

    The California is serving it's intended purpose quite well, which is to sell new Ferraris to people who were previously not in the Ferrari fold. The 348/355/360/430 served this role previously.
    I think that the California is likely a very fine driving car, and from certain angles, it's quite pretty. However, it's never emerged as a hard-edged Ferrari – more like one that you'd casually toss the golf clubs in and meet Muffy at the country club for cocktails at 2:30. I doubt that even bespoke low-mileage Californias will be big money makers at Collector's auctions in 20 years.
    The 612 also struck me as fitting the same mold as the California. It's vanilla jelly bean shape, combined with too much wheelbase make this one another forgettable Ferrari. The FF is another one (despite being the first AWD Ferrari) – it's aggressively shaped, but you can't forgive that ass… Make it a two seat hatch and… Oh wait – that's the F12.

    1. Syrax Avatar
      Syrax

      Agree with the California but not 612. Like the 400/412 and 456, there's a market for the tourers. They're not collectable but they won't be forgotten like the Mondial and 348. BTW, I love the FF rear…

    2. dculberson Avatar
      dculberson

      "The FF is another one (despite being the first AWD Ferrari) – it's aggressively shaped, but you can't forgive that ass"
      Can't forg… what the… HEY! YOU! Report to the Hoon Re-Education Camp No 3 stat!
      I love the ass end on the FF. Best part of the car.

      1. krazykarguy Avatar
        krazykarguy

        The FF is a technological masterpiece. It's just the first Ferrari road car since the Mondial that I can't bring myself to adore.
        Yes. It's a longroof, much like the 'breadwagon' Ferrari of the 60's. However, the proportions of the entire thing look all wrong to me.
        I still hold a grudge against the Ferrari designer who decided 2 round taillights were better than 4. Heresy!

        1. Number_Six Avatar
          Number_Six

          The 612 is going to down as one of the great Ferraris once we all get over the disappointing styling. The performance/comfort combination is incredible, and by all accounts it's a great driver's car. The FF is weird enough that we're going to look back on it very fondly.
          The California will never be loved but it will become the subject of many articles that read, "For the price of a new 911 you could have a stonking V8 Ferrari…"

    3. HighFrequencyHater Avatar
      HighFrequencyHater

      Considering the car was intended to be a Maserati, until they ran over budget and had to upbrand to Ferrari, I would expect it to follow the usual Mas pattern of titanic depreciation. Not holding my breath for any sort "collectible" status, at least not any more than an 84 Quattroporte BiTurbo…

  2. muthalovin Avatar

    I simply do not care for Ferrari's. Sure, I had posters of them on my wall as a kid, but I never really had the lust for them that so many others do.
    That said, LeCalifornia is collectable, only if it has Fiero-based.

    1. Vavon Avatar
      Vavon

      Same here, minus the bit about the posters… And HAHAHA!

  3. RobbyDeGraff Avatar
    RobbyDeGraff

    Collectible, love it

  4. smalleyxb122 Avatar
    smalleyxb122

    It’ll be collectable, just not particularly valuable. There is a future market for the California, but it’s not made up of serious collectors. It won’t appeal to Ferrari collectors unless they just need one of everything. More eclectic collectors who just want a Ferrari to add to their fleet will gravitate to something more iconic and/or more exclusive. The California will eventually depreciate enough to reach middle-market collectors that see it as an affordable way into Ferrari ownership, but reaching that market is a double-edged sword. When it becomes affordable, it will be collectible, but to stay collectible, it will have to remain affordable.

  5. Sjalabais Avatar
    Sjalabais

    Now here is a question I had never thought I would be contemplating seriously. My gutt says:
    I will never collect one.
    Problem solved.

  6. danleym Avatar
    danleym

    Forgettable. It's the kind of car you buy new to tell people how well you're doing, but not the kind of car you buy ten or twenty years later because it no longer looks cool when it's lost the luster of it's newness and expensiveness.

  7. dculberson Avatar
    dculberson

    It will be collectible to the same level as any other entry level Ferrari. It's not an Enzo, it's not going to go up in value immediately and it won't be worth millions upon millions at some future date, but it will hold its value well and eventually creep up slowly. Even the "forgotten" Ferraris are worth more than their contemporary pedestrian cars.

  8. dukeisduke Avatar
    dukeisduke

    I don't think it will ever be collectible, but then, given how diabolically complex modern exoticars and supercars are nowadays, how hard is it going to be to keep any 50-year-old one running? And it's hard to believe that it's their first front-mounted V8 road car – I'd have thought one of their early cars would fall into that category.

  9. Irishzombieman Avatar
    Irishzombieman

    Three years ago, on that other website, Stoke got a COTD for a rebuttal to Ferrari whining about F1.
    Item #4 on his well-ordered argument was, "The California is ugly."
    I agreed then, enough so that I still remember that comment.
    I agree now. Collectibility, though. . . . I collect bottle openers. Not everyone's cup o' bologna, but it's mine. So I suppose the Cali will have it's fans.
    I will say, though, that it looks good next to a Panamera.

    1. quijoteMike Avatar
      quijoteMike

      Everything looks good next to a Panamera! Great lump of a car.
      I can assure all that driving one on studded tyres on Swedish snow shows up the lack of traction. As well as how badly a brown looks against acres of snow field

      1. Irishzombieman Avatar
        Irishzombieman

        Yes! What were they thinking with the brown?

        1. pj134 Avatar
          pj134

          Better watch yourself. A more stern BCAS supporter than I might chastise you for that one.

          1. Irishzombieman Avatar
            Irishzombieman

            Not all browns and not all cars. Just the combination of Panamera and chocolate brown. It's already turd-shaped. Does it have to be that color too?

  10. P161911 Avatar

    Isn't the California the last Ferrari available with a true manual transmission with no flappy paddles? That alone is worth something.

    1. wisc47 Avatar
      wisc47

      I think they only made a handful of them, so they'll definitely be worth something in the future.

    2. Tim Odell Avatar
      Tim Odell

      Huh…for some reason I thought they were flappy-paddle only.
      Hell, I'd rock a 6MT California once they're good and cheap (to buy…)

      1. P161911 Avatar

        As of 2012/2013 a 6MT is still an option, most probably have the 7 speed dual clutch flappy paddle one though.

  11. Kogashiwa Avatar
    Kogashiwa

    It is my hope that it becomes so forgotten that some day even I could afford one but alas even the Mondial has not sunk to such depths.

  12. BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ Avatar

    Probably in the end they will be collectable, note that once the Dino was entry level Ferrari too.
    Not my piece of cake though.

    1. krazykarguy Avatar
      krazykarguy

      The Dino never WAS a Ferrari.
      It was made by Ferrari with a Fiat V-6 engine. There is not a single 'cavallino rampante' anywhere on the car. It was initially supposed to be the first of several entry-level Dino branded cars, but that never got off the ground.

  13. PotbellyJoe Avatar
    PotbellyJoe

    The modern Mondial.
    It's biggest problem is with its badge. If it were branded a Maserati, or Fiat, the world would love it. I hear they are wonderful to cruise in.
    But in the mind of the public, Ferrari has always been fast and on the edge of reason, not daily cruisers. The Maranello was not a particularly well known Ferrari outside of car circles. People know the Testarosas, or 360s, or the 430. Despite the fact that the vintage Ferraris were all Front-engined, V12, RWD grand tourers, the Ferrari that comes to mind to the general public is a V8 mid-engine track star. Essentially a modern Dino.
    These are fine cars, but they are Ferrari's loafer-wearing brother who drinks wine and sees golf as his form of exercise.

  14. jeepjeff Avatar
    jeepjeff

    The Ferrari what?

  15. Ileee Avatar
    Ileee

    Forgettable. It's an upgraded C6 convertible.

  16. Rust-MyEnemy Avatar

    Time for the Rusty perspective, AKA the wrong perspective. 400i / 412 are among my favourite Ferraris, I love them for their 'this is what the world would be like if Ferrari built sedans' credentials.
    The California; what's not to like? The V8 sounds awesome, you have the best of both worlds of a coupe or convertible, the styling, though not sharp, is certainly not derivative or over-familiar, and calls to mind the original California in some ways….. And that early car most certainly is collectible. In some ways California is to 599GTO today what Californa was to 250GTO in the sixties.

  17. Xedicon Avatar
    Xedicon

    The Cali gets less respect than it deserves. While "only" a GT car, it's far from slow in a line or on the track and the refresh really brought the weight down and the handling more inline with what people would expect of a Ferrari. It's a shame that many fanboys who likely have never even sat in a Ferrari let alone drive one are so readily willing to pan the Cali.

  18. rwb Avatar
    rwb

    Long ago, Ferraris were able to trade on their beauty, so whether it was a race car or a cruiser, it still held strong appeal. These days, they're… less beautiful, and their reputation is based primarily on performance. So, a car that cannot live up to these updated expectations, and doesn't have the benefit of stunning looks, doesn't really have a place in this world.

    1. RWB Avatar
      RWB

      Not that it's slow, obviously, but I see enough Aston Martins around to assume that if one is buying a GT in this range, they're not buying the California.

  19. sohc Avatar
    sohc

    I was going to say that a Ferrari California is about as collectible as a Triumph California before I realized that I was Ithinking about the Triumph America. Who mistakes California for America? I am so embarrassed.

    1. Kogashiwa Avatar
      Kogashiwa

      Californians?
      /obligatory

  20. Rover 1 Avatar
    Rover 1

    I have mixed feelings on the California, I want to like them but I feel that they could have been better-though the upgrade helps.As a design exercise I'd put it under
    'Shows promise but must try harder'
    And I'm sure that many people share Mark Webber's response on Twitter when an associate of his tweeted about getting a Ferrari California for a day
    'You should be hung. #shitbox soft tops for softcocks….
    Ferrari sets high standards, the California falls short. If Ferrari want to make a Mercedes SL they could at least equal the target that they are aiming for.

  21. sporty88au Avatar
    sporty88au

    Collectible? No. Entry-level Ferrari in a few years? Possible but unlikely.
    Points against it becoming one of the more collectible models include that it is too 'normal' and too 'soft' (ie. suitable for everyday use) to be a rich man's toy. Also it's a Ferrari V8, not a V12 – it says "I'm well off, but not quite as wealthy as I wish I was" (a bit like buying a Porsche Cayman instead of going for a 911).
    On the other hand, it is a convertible – if the top goes down, the price goes up (at least that is the way it generally works) – and there will still be plenty of unfashionable/unpopular closed models (400/412, Mondial, etc.) to feed the bottom end of the market for years to come.
    If I had the money, I know there are plenty of other cars which would be first on my wish list. However, if somebody handed me the keys to one for a weekend, I doubt that I'd want to hand them back too quickly, regardless of what Mark Webber or anyone else thinks – and I'm most definitely NOT a Ferrari fanboy.

  22. nutzforautos Avatar
    nutzforautos

    Like anything else from Ferrari,..sooner or later it will have its fanatics. I think the car is an expensive yawn. But if it floats your boat and you don't mind losing cash by the bucket..knock yourself out.

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