By Robert Emslie
Racing is one of those sports that in practice is probably more fun as a participant than as a spectator. It’s also however, a sport where should you not know what you’re doing, your participation could – and likely will – be short lived. Besides, that La-Z-Boy in front of the TV allows you to nod off during the yellows should the mood hit. Not only that, but enjoying motor sports as a spectator lets you try out the multiple variants at your leisure, so you can determine which you find the most engaging.
One of those choices with which you might find yourself confronted is the preference for two wheel racing as opposed to four. Motorcycle racing, in my book at least, is some of the most exhilarating imaginable. That is, until you compare it to the fender bumping in Touring Car racing, or the hyperdrive cornering in F1. Motorcycles – at least the road course racers – tend to enjoy the luxury of wide tracks affording sights of sinuous strings of racers traversing their length, and that can be almost hypnotic. On the other hand cars, well, car racing, is just so bombastic, it’s like watching incredibly spry hippos make mad, violent love.
Perhaps it is possible to like both forms, but I think that the proclivities of each would win out adherents of one over the other. What do you think, do you go both ways? Or, do you like watching one form of racing over the other? And if it’s the latter, what for you is more fun to watch, two wheels, or four?
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Jeff Glucker
My MotoGP tickets for the Austin GP have been purchased for some time, so that is where I stand.
That said, I do enjoy the hell out of some Rally Vidjas.
Auto racing. I just think that having two wheels to work with is saving at the wrong end, even though bike racing can be spectacular to watch.
Is there any sport that is less fun as a participant than as a spectator?
"Is there any sport that is less fun as a participant than as a spectator?"
24 Hours of LeMons?
Wow, THAT got downvoted? I thought irreverence was the very heart and soul of LeMons.
I gave you a thumb back up.. but while Lemons is awesome to spectate at, it's even more fun to participate, because you get to dress up and be berated by the judges and drive a crappy car way too fast on track.
Then again, I've never been just a spectator. And I know a few people that were and enjoyed the heck out of it, so maybe?
I was just recalling the 24HOLM website's assertion that, "It's kinda like a loud, hot, noisy version of driving to work. For a really, really long time."
Not so far off the truth, except amended to add "without speed limits or oncoming traffic and where nobody is texting while driving."
I myself don't make those last two assumptions.
I've certainly seen my share of cars facing me on the Lemons track!
p.s. to make it clear, I didn't thumbs-down your first comment there. I don't know who did, but re-reading my comment it sounded like maybe I did! I just thumbed it up to make up for whoever did. 😉
I've been a spectator a handful of times, and would like to put a car on the track. Spectating is a lot less inertia to overcome than building a car, though, and being on the Saucy Minx's comp list is more budget-friendly than fielding a team.
Being Suzie Patrese?
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Seriously? There's debate about this?
Yes, seriously!
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Okay, what do you say we just split the difference?
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Or this. (Which I didn't realize existed until recently.)
<img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zrobnHbsT0k/UMytmSw5NEI/AAAAAAAABSU/DmQxFN7t76M/s655/2012-12-15_11-04-05_35.jpg"width=500>
Photo credit: me.
That sounds like a great plan! I'll do the driving, you'll do the hanging on! 🙂
I haven't been to very many non-Lemons races, but the one Supermoto race I went to was a ridiculously good time. Watching those bikes come flying straight at you with their rear tires tossed out like that when there's nothing but a hay bale and chain link fence between you and the track, then smelling the race gas and burning tire as the fly by, damn there's nothing quite like that.
I would never – well – at this age I would never start motorcycle racing. But if it was a question of what kind of race to go to watch I would pick Supermoto every time.
While I'll occasionally stop and watch a MotoGP race, I'm definitely in the 4-wheels better camp. HOWEVER, I will caveat that with saying the following
This:
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Is greater than this:
<img width=500 src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-67WZwhzdiLw/UBZpGyzhWwI/AAAAAAAAAtc/YBsDE4hwqxg/s1600/MotoGP-first-lap.jpg">
Which is far greater than this:
<img width=500 src="http://bookmarksmarkyourplace.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/nascar.jpg">
My thoughts exactly. Nascar sucks, F1 is boring, so 2 wheels over those any day. But I'll take rally or even a good road race like V8 Supercars over motorcycles.
Maybe it's just because I've never owned a bike. I suppose if I owned one and rode it often I might be able to better appreciate the difficulty of what they're doing. I mean, I know it's hard, but I have no personal experience to compare it to, so I think my spectating experience is diminshed.
That's a great point. Maybe motorcycle racing isn't as interesting to me as autos because I don't have that frame of reference.
About 8 years ago I was a week away from buying my buddy's GSX-R when it got stolen and trashed. If I had bought it my answer may be different.
I've come close to buying a bike a few times. One of these days I'm actually going to pull the trigger. I've got 5 or 6 projects stacked up at the moment between the cars and the house- if I can clear those out and not have anything else big sitting on my list, I think I'll be taking another look at a bike.
Actually, make that 4 or 5 projects- I just finished rebuilding the rear end in my truck yesterday, so that's one big project out of the way.
I'm married. The projects never end.
Me too. I know. But I haven't yet lost hope.
Godspeed and good luck.
Luckily, I have the house to the point where I can finally get power to the garage and reorganize it so it's not quite so big of a disaster.
Fortunately we bought a house that was pretty much ok as it sits, so the only thing I have to do there is get the banisters rehung on the wall (and repair the wall) from when my nephews decided that banisters look like playground equipment, and that they should swing and jump on them until they pull out of the wall.
And my wife isn't crazy about redecorating or doing many projects, so I don't often get roped in to that stuff. But I usually only have one free day a week, which limits the progress on other stuff.
I find the number of wheels to be irrelevant. It’s more about the type of racing, and there is an analogous car (or truck) race for any motorcycle race, and almost vice versa. The only exceptions that I can think of are swamp buggies, tractor pulls, and monster trucks.
Consider me a bispectator.
I'll just leave this here.
[youtube Ph0SjLC_lqk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph0SjLC_lqk youtube]
If you can't make it to the Isle of Man, there's always this:
[youtube vj6aFeHwShQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj6aFeHwShQ youtube]
Yes. This. Never thought anything'd beat the TT for excitement value until I saw this.
I like them both but when it comes to motorcycles, my favorite form of competition is trials.
The only motorcycle event I've seen is trials, and I loved it. Other than that, I prefer four wheels.
Trails is nothing at all like racing. It's low-key, but amazing, like a mix of watching golf and a Vegas magic act. You divide your time between clapping politely and muttering "I know I just saw that, but I still don't believe it."
[youtube kJxcu2ydg2c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJxcu2ydg2c youtube]
The one race I make sure I see every year is Supercross.
AFAIC, racing is way too varied to make a definitive statement, but thankfully I don't know of a two wheeled version of NASCAR.
Yet.
I can see it now. A bunch of big Harleys driven quickly in circles by large men wearing leathers covered in advertising. It would be epic…
…ly terrible.
…carbureted Harleys…
with FOUR speed gearboxes
Any rider weighing less than 250 lbs. gets the restrictor plate.
Last time I saw someone >250 lbs on the pole…Never mind.
Just like riding a moped.
I hope nobody from the France family reads Hooniverse.
Actually, that's already a thing…
<img src="http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ama-pro-flat-track-finals-pomona-law-tigers-la-county-fairplex.jpg" width="512">
I suppose it depends on the race, doesn't it. Some forms of auto and motorcycle racing don't do a thing for me (ex NASCAR or motorcross); others (Isle of Man TT or Bathurst) provoke near Pavlovian responses.
I gotta say that as much as I love rally racing, and F1, and Brit touring cars, and Aussie V8s, none of 'em get my blood pounding nearly as much as a good* motorcycle race.
And no motorcycle race, not even Isle Of Man, gets me as excited as the Ulster Grand Prix. It's IoM TT with a pack start.
Check out the picnickers at 1:37. Sitting on the side of the road as the pack roars by at 200 mph ten feet away.
[youtube wzScR8wyW4c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzScR8wyW4c youtube]
*There are, occasionally, bad ones, and I'm not counting those.
They pass my folks' house at @170mph, much to my parents' disgust/horror.
Cars or bikes doesn't really matter that much to me, however like real estate, what matters is location, location, location.
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As for the worst, I went to an SCCA RallyCross event a couple summers ago. I was expecting it to be really something special, but I must have set my expectations a bit too high. In comparison, the reality ended up being rather a snooze. The cars never appear to be going very fast, and with the single-car timed format, the pace of the whole program is a bit unexciting. In my head it was going to be some sort of junior-grade Group B, but what I got was more like valet parking in a field. I'm not putting it down from a driver's perspective; I know it takes a a great deal of skill and is very satisfying to do well, and it's probably a lot of fun to drive. I've even fantasized about doing it (but unfortunately, the Town Cow isn't the most suitable candidate). I'm just saying that from a spectator's POV, it's near the bottom of the barrel.
Myself its cars but I would much sooner go to my local oval or road course and watch the regular joe schmoe do their thing. Definatly better in the pits as well, most every driver will take a moment and shoot the shit, and it dosnt feel like they are talking down to you. Also as a driver most of the guys are willing to lend a hand if needed or have no problen dishing out some info on setup or just advice.
[youtube 94_9qO19z-0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94_9qO19z-0 youtube]
Respectfully, a counterpoint…
[youtube 3HXqZh5oTK0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HXqZh5oTK0 youtube]
Pretty good counterpoint.
Allow me to post another though:
[youtube b20xuPuI6Ps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b20xuPuI6Ps youtube]
Pshaw, that's nothing. They don't even have a jump at the finish, nor are they driving in reverse or pulling a caravan.[youtube S7ipFApsFec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ipFApsFec youtube]
And hooray for swing-arm suspension at 1:58!
I assume they were speaking Dutch? What a bizarre-sounding language.
Why need any wheels? (Except for the whole takey-offy/landy thing)
Before Always even thought of them, racing had wings!
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Anyone here who remembers what the BTCC was like in the mid and late 90s? Drivers were really smoking their tires, there was a lot of action and aggression, but first of all proper racing. I miss that!
The fibreoptic cable that connects my village to the world has a "complicated break", meaning I get like 0,3mbps and can't even watch Youtube. This hurts today with all the uploads above…
There is, of course, this:
<img width=500 src="http://www.monsterarmy.com/RFS/2010/05/14/a44dc147-c648-440a-8c53-1bfb5bd4d93a.jpg">
Though, it may be outside the bounds of this discussion.
I prefer motorcycle racing, because it seems like passing is easier / there is less blocking going on.
Wow, awesome looking to me. I've never enjoyed live motor cycle or care racing but after seen your information I am very much inspired to enjoy this kind of racing and please, let me know about your next racing as well.