Keeping the peace among your family or friends can be trying, especially when others do things that – in your mind – are incredibly dumb. That extends to car buying, as people don’t always share your enthusiasm, or loathing, of particular makes and models and can – in the immortal words of the Indiana Jones Cave Knight – choose poorly.
Of course not wanting to ruin a relationship over so minor a transgression, you blithely cheer their choice, while deep inside you wonder how you could have become friends/be related to such an idiot. Has that scenario ever happened to you? If so, what was the car, and how did you handle it?
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Hooniverse Asks: What Was the Worst Car You Had to Be Cheerful About a Friend or Family Member Buying?
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Collectively, between my and my wife’s families, there have been at least a dozen Hyundai-Kia products bought in the past quarter century (a number of them have even been traded amongst us). I understand it, I’ve even helped buy a couple, but it’s almost a dirty little secret.
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Thing is, they’re excellent appliances these days. I am not sure if they’ve caught up to Toyota/Honda in the long game, but for someone that trades in every 3-4 years, you can get a lot for your money. Bonus — the styling.
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My older sister asked my opinion when she was considering a low-mileage (’06?) Hyundai Tiburon. I was ready to sound the alarm, but dug a bit, and the CR reliability rating was no worse than average. So I simply sent her a couple of reviews, most of which were grudgingly complementary.
She bought it and still has the Tib. It has not given her a lick of trouble and she loves it. I’d never considered one before, but frankly, I’d now buy one myself if I happened to find a good steal.-
The Celica and Tiburon have to be the affordable coupes with the highest accident-to-ownership rates.
In the 5 years I was involved in bringing in used vehicles I saw more than a few of both, I can recall only 1 or 2 that didn’t have some form of re-spray or panel replacement.
Moral of the story, if you’re buying a used Tib, lift it, examine it, use a flashlight. Find the damage, it’s there, and make sure you can live with the repair that was made.-
DAUGHTER: “But Dad, I want something that’s cool and sporty-looking!”
FATHER: “You’ve only been driving for a year; I ain’t buying you no race car, Missy! We’re going to get you something practical, safe and reliable.”
SALESPERSON: “Let me show both of you this one over here…”
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I live in Korea. I am not sure when they stopped making Tibs (Tuscony’s they call them here) but for as old as they are there are plenty of them still driving here. All conditions. I can’t embed, too stupid, but modded ones are common and it seems that many different full body kits are available, front, back and sides. Oddly too, there are lots of manual trans too, among almost universal automatic use in even the smallest cars in Korea.
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I have the feeling there is something interesting to be seen here. 🙂
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I’m rather satisfied with the Hyundai in my driveway. Hell I’ve gone on a big adventure with it, I think I’m keeping it forever.
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The latest addition in that dozen is my father-in-law’s Elantra GT (picked up a couple weeks ago) – it’s pretty much exactly what I’d want if I wasn’t trapped in irrational Hyundai hatred from my ’04 Accent (like I said, still helped in the purchase of a few, not that biased).
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A female friend of mine, who absolutely wanted to get a VW, ended up buying a beige VW Jetta. Just imagine that it looked even worse than this one. It was way too expensive and on top of that it was covered with rust (and I don’t mean rat-look) and it consumed copious amounts of oil. It was utter rubish! But she was so happy with that car that I didn’t dare say anything!
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As a former Mk1 owner, not sure if lowered or all 4 suspension mounts rusted out.
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I borrowed one of these once, it was totally clapped out, too. But it was tired in the good way: Gearbox and clutch almost worked by itself after a gazillion matches. The engine puttered on. The mighty desirable “slow car fast”-feeling hit me almost instantly. Plus: You never need to worry about hitting inanimate objects…
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I had an 84 Jetta from 90 to 97, never anywhere near that bad despite a leaky sunroof. I had over 100,000 miles but still fun to drive and only needed towing once when a CV joint fell apart.
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Honey needs a new set of Rims!
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My brother-in-law’s ’06 Hummer H3. I also had to NOT say “you should have known better” when the 5-cyl L52 had to be replaced @ 44,000 miles.
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That might explain why first generation Colorados and Canyons are disappearing from the roads. And just think, the H3 was the best-reviewed Hummer under GM rule.
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Good candidates for an LS-swap, then! Drop in a 4.8 or 5.3 from a Silverado, enjoy superior power and reliability. Also torques because truck.
It’s a shame that GM didn’t put the effort into developing the Atlas engine further. It had such great potential, but was only 2/3-baked when it was pushed into production.-
I’ll never understand why they didn’t go with the Atlas I-6 out of the Trailblazer on these. Maybe it didn’t fit.
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Turns out there was nothing shared between the GMT355 and the GMT360, so you’re probably right.
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I have some fake-family (we did holidays and stuff together) that were rich rednecks. I have had to bite my tongue so many times about their purchases (and subsequent modifications). Among them was an H3. The bleach blonde, fake-boobed divorcee that drove it was every bit as much of an imitator of an attractive woman was the H3 was of a real HMMWV, so I suppose it was fitting.
Among this family’s other abominations:
– 350Z vert, white with blue top, automatic, and narrow, chromed aftermarket wheels with the wrong offset.
– 2000-something Chevy 3500 Duramax crew 4×4. Lifted to the sky, commercial off-highway tires (seriously, they looked like they belonged on a front-end loader). Kept the stock rear axle and IRS front suspension, too. I don’t know how the weight of those tires didn’t snap them apart on the regular.
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What is killing these engines? Too much to drag around? I just assumed pre 100k-km-deaths were a thing that ended in the 70s. But I suppose GM has its ways.
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The original 3500s had major head/valve issues.
http://www.hummerforums.com/forum/head-valve-problems-34/exactly-how-many-have-had-head-valve-problems-2665/-
Wow, this poll is incredible! How could they not discover such a massive issue during testing? Seems like some people experienced issues more or less right after turning the key the first time.
When I think 5 cylindre, I think of Audi’s and Volvo’s durable machines. So my entirely positive expectations to that number just took a hit.
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An easy one for me. A close relative bought an aqua 2007 Ford Focus sedan. I think she should have stuck with her first choice – a yellow Focus hatchback. Would have been significantly more fun.
There have been no less than 3 Azteks in my family. Sister, sister-in-law, and cousin. All 3 of them have been very happy with them (and they are pretty darn utilitarian and useful).
But. Still an Aztek.
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You may or may not have meth producers in your family.
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Time will tell if they don’t end up as cool anyway. Much seems to point that way.
My brother’s wrecked Karmman Ghia with the whole front end smashed in. My dad said he’d never get it fixed and he was right. The motor ended up n a neighbor’s old dune buggy.
VW beetle.
Subarus are popular with geoscientists, who tend not to have much money unless they work for oil companies. For a long time I had to congratulate them on their purchases of used specimens while gently encouraging them to budget for headgaskets and timing belts.
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My daughter drives a Subaru AWD wagon…..thank you for confirming that is because she’s an environmental scientist for BP in Alaska, not because she’s a lesbian. (I mean, she’s NOT a lesbian…….tho it would be nice to have SOME GRANDCHILDREN to prove it, sweetie!!!)
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This is the greatest mom response I’ve ever read on this site.
As someone whose parents thought he might be gay until he knocked up his buxom redheaded coworker in his mid 20s, I raise my glass to your parental endurance.-
Admit it; you just wanted to brag about having bagged a buxom redhead.
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Wouldn’t you?
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God I loved my mom’s 04 Forester for the 3 years I drove it. Did a timing belt and water pump at 120k and a wheel bearing at 80k. Otherwise, it need zero maintenance. The stock clutch taught me and later my then GF how to drive stick and was still perfect when we sold it at 145k.
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That’s a newer car than the ones I’m thinking of, and it may well be after the headgasket problems were resolved. But still, a timing belt job is a huge expense for people who don’t do it themselves.
I’m glad Subaru switched to chains on the even-newer engines, which is “the right way” (unless the design is faulty, in which case they can be worse).-
Nope, head gaskets were still an issue in ’04. Really, they didn’t get “resolved” until Subaru moved away from the EJ engine in 2010(?), but one could also argue that those cars haven’t been on the road long enough to get a good amount of data on yet.
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“Subarus are popular with geoscientists….”
I admit occasionally being tempted by the 360.-
Yet you figured: Who really needs such a big car? Sensible, indeed.
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I also find the styling to be a bit too aggressive.
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Which Subaru 360?
The limousine, the people carrier or the ‘must be designed for the American market because it’s a truck but inexplicably not a big seller’ er, truck ?
Sjalabais might be right. They do look a bit bigger than you might be used too.
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Yes, all of them.
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I thought you’d say that. 😀
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My uncle Mike has an inexplicable affinity for Chrysler products. He claims that I recommended his purchase of a Jeep Liberty, whereas the conversation actually went something like this:
Mike: “Hey, the SHO’s trans has gone to shit and I’m sick of fixing it. I want my next car to be able to tow my little sailboat so I can retire the Dakota. I was thinking about a Jeep Liberty. Can they tow?”
Me: “Sorry about the SHO. That was a fun car. Yes, I think the Liberty can tow a bit. How much does your boat weight?”
Mike: “I don’t know — ton and a half, two tons?”
Me: “A Liberty can probably tow that, but there are better…”
Mike: “Sounds good, Ryan! Thanks for the chat!”
Bonus: He loves the silly thing, and gives me credit all the time for recommending it. At least he’s had good luck with it. It has been more reliable than the vehicles that preceded it, at least.
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A Chevy S-10 Xtreme. I had a Lightning at the time. He got the 4.3L ext. cab.
He liked it. That’s all that matters right?
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Honestly, yes. I’ve found that if a person just likes a car, for whatever inexplicable reason, they’re willing to forgive all manner of shortcomings and outright failures. It does no good to point those out, because they’ll just look lovingly at their bucket and think “…but I love it anyway.”
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I will say, he put a tonneau cover on it and a bedrug inside of the bed and they were awesome to have. I had a hard plastic liner in my L and a Lund painted fiberglass tonneau.
We would go camping without tents, just bring a sleeping bag, beers and food. Head to a campsite, prop the tonneau slightly and sleep in the bed of the truck.
His worked for him as he was only 5’6″.
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Other than it being a poseur, there wasn’t really anything wrong with the Xtreme. They were competent trucks. They just weren’t the performance trucks the body kit suggested they were.
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The payload was roughly 400 pounds and they were not supposed to tow anything. So they weren’t great for trucks. Even the Lightning could carry 700+ pounds and tow ~5000.
The other side was the performance, specifically with the automatic, was not enough to justify the ride.
Again, my friend liked it. We had fun with it. It also looked pretty cool with the light bar setup he put on it when he worked with the local firehouse.
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I’m supposed to be nice?
My dad’s 2013 Chrysler 200. Traded in a Wrangler for it.After a year he traded that 200 in on another Wrangler.
He asked me about them before he bought and I said it was basically a renames Sebring, which was a piece of shit. He bought it anyway.
A friend bought an early 00s BMW 5 wagon in gorgeous dark green over beige. Beautiful car, and I’m sure it was a hoot to drive. But…it was faulty. The worst day for him was when I gave him starting assistance in my 1971 Volvo, that looked like I just found it on the heap. Shortly thereafter, he went for a Toyota Avensis wagon.
My coworker waited for years to get the new Escape.
Finally, the Escapes are available and I even had a pal who would sell one under MSRP. Not a week after the Escapes hit the showroom he buys a Chevy Equinox.
He likes it.
I’m kind of worried to answer this for two reasons. He might read it. And I don’t want to know what he really think about the crap I’ve bought. So I’ll keep it to myself cause I appreciate he has.
High school girlfriend; brown ’75-ish Pinto 4-speed. I think I may have actually taught her how to drive a stick in that car. My wife (a different woman, just to be clear), bless her heart, also had a Pinto for her first car and a succession of vehicles that her parents either owned or picked out for her. As far as I know, she’s only had one car that she chose and loved, and that’s the Camry wagon that we still own and our daughter is driving. We bought that off the side of the road with 220,000 miles on it. Someday, finances and college tuition permitting, I’ll probably get her a NA Miata project car.
My father in law has a Jeep Wrangler YJ. Not a bad choice, But it has some sort of dealer installed lift kit complete with monster 33 X 12.5 X 15 tires. Still not too bad. BUT, it has a 105hp, 4 cylinder, so he can get better gas mileage. He bought it new. At least it is a stick shift.
A friend of mine bought a Chevy Cobalt, which I’m neither for or against, but she bought it through one of those no credit refused places, so she was paying absurd amounts of interest on a dumpy ex-rental sedan (albeit one painted a saucy orange). When I heard the terms of the loan I had to stop myself from saying “If you wanted to get screwed so much why didn’t you just get a prostitute?” Within six months the engine had to be replaced.
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Speaking of “no credit refused” places, I keep driving past this ’02 Audi A6 3.0 Avant Quatro on my way to work. I’ll admit, it became enough of a mindworm that I looked it up online. It only has 81K, but it’s a full grand over NADA’s “Clean Retail” value. I wonder what they’d say if I offered them $6750 cash. …Oh, wait, it’s a 14 year old Audi. Nevermind.
http://www.auto.com/cars/Audi-A6-3.0-Avant-quattro-2002-WAUVT64BX2N058941
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what’s the saying? If you buy an Audi, it better be an expensive one, because you can’t afford a cheap one
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I’m living this nightmare right now. My wife needed to establish credit and since we needed a car she decided to get one. Since she had no credit her options where limited. She ended up with an 08 pontiac g5 (the pig) that had 73k km on it and wS in decent shape. I know cars decently well and tried to talk her out of this POS, but she wasn’t having any of it and would not even let me negotiate for a better price. I washed my hands of the whole thing and now eleven months later and the pig is starting to fall apart. We have put a new front pipe on it two new wheel bearings on the front and new springs in tbe back (Which is a very common problem). The other day I had it on a lift and noticed the front struts are leaking and it needs outer tie rod ends. To top it off there is rust starting on the driver door and fender. This car has 125k km on it now but I’m sure that if it was a civic or corolla it wouldnt be as needy. This is the car that every time I get into it I mutter I hate this pig.
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You should establish a house council with veto rights. It has its downsides (that’s why I don’t have an extra classic rusting outside this very moment), but stuff like that is avoidable – I know, because I’ve been there, and I can almost feel what a gnawing irritation it must be to see that car every day. And, yes, a 125k km 2008 Civic or Corolla should not make any troubles at all. From my experience, they might use oil, but mechanical issues should be limited to maintenance, not chasing decay.
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Thankfully most of my friends are car people. V8olvo, 190D, diesel chevette, clown shoe, terminator, ion2(as an appliance) all in manual transmission and the list goes on of “interesting” cars.
But my ex, LOVED her 2nd gen Sebring. Why? It’s 35 feet long, known for weak transmissions, the trunk leaks, the windows leak, makes all sorts of bearing sounds. I kinda wanted to hide my face riding in it.
My mom’s parents bought her a brand new 1970 Vega as a highschool graduation gift. Had they only known….
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Terminator?
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03-04 Cobra
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First generation Prius in 2013. Not a bad car per second (it does what it should really reasonably), but nothing to demand your peers’ respect.
A coworker once asked me to assess a Kia Spectra that she was considering. Aside from being slow and boring, there wasn’t anything wrong with it. She bought it.
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Assessment: It’s a Kia Spectra.
I suppose there isn’t anything inherently wrong with it that wasn’t wrong with the old Ford/Mazda tech that Kia purchased the rights to build into that car.-
That’s very similar to the Kia Shuma. My mother had one when it was a fresh car on the market. Bought new, it was unbelievably cheap (close to half of what a Volvo S40 cost), but it was also a rolling tin can. So noisy, when I drove a Volvo or anything of substance, I would easily go 100-120 kph when it felt like Kia-70.
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It was trouble free for years though. They are sold at give-away-prices at mobile.de:
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto/kia-shuma.html?isSearchRequest=true&lang=en&scopeId=C&export=ALSO_EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&makeModelVariant1.makeId=13200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=23
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My grandma has 2 sisters who love their Corollas (one car is an ’87-’88 FX that’s rapidly turning into iron oxide, the other car is a ’10-ish sedan). I don’t quite comprehend it, but their cars work for them.
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A friend bought a 1981 Mercury Cougar sedan. I think ’81 was the only year a sedan version was offered. His had a 6-cylinder and an automatic. It was in decent shape, but the car was 20 years old at the time. Slow, poor fuel economy, needing repairs. I don’t know how much he spent on it, but he could’ve bought an early ’90s econobox for easily similar money and had something more reliable. The brakes failed after just a couple months of ownership, and he wrecked the car. (Everyone involved was fine.)
That whole family has made some terrible, terrible car purchasing decisions.
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Family friends bought a black VW Cabrio of this generation about 2 years ago for $1500. It’s a Florida car, but there are two varieties of those: Ones that live near the beach, and ones that don’t. This one was of the former variety,hastily purchased, with plenty of problems, a torn convertible top and a lot of rust. I had no knowledge of this purchase until after the fact. They wanted a car that day, they fell in love with a convertible and saw it through extremely rosy glasses.
It was bad news from the beginning. I replaced both front wheel bearings and brake pads for them within months of their purchase. A plastic coolant connector broke not much later and I had to bodge something together using barbed hose fittings and an iron T from a nearby hardware store. Then it sprung an exhaust leak, ran poorly in the rain (which is a big deal in Florida in the summer), and got terrible gas mileage. They sold it within a year for $700.
I suspect this question should be directed towards my friends and family.
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True. There was a lot of head-shaking about the 1980 Rabbit convertible (complete with no top, just a frame). That was justly deserved. Car was a pile, but I learned a lot attempting to get and keep it mobile under its own power!
There was less head-shaking about the W126, but still dire warnings about costly injection pump failures and sketchy vacuum-powered everything and how diesels are SO different that everything I know is suddenly wrong.
Doesn’t matter — I DD an S-class. Everyone else on the road is a filthy commoner.-
This is how I feel when I pilot my Daimler down the road. Strangely enough, passersby do not seem to hold it in such high regard. Is that because it is the “-Chrysler PT Cruiser” model instead of the “-Benz S-class” model?
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A friend bought a new Lander Rover Freelander back in 2003 or so. His wife had always wanted a Land Rover and he had some arrangement through his company for some minimal discount. I knew of the Land Rover horror stories but since I wasn’t asked before he brought it home, I praised the tiny thing. I don’t know the details, and although he and I are very good friends, he has never explained why after less than 90 days it was gone – never to be mentioned again.
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A coworker at a former job bought one in 2006 or so. She loved to brag about how awesome it was off-road, though of course it was a mall-crawler and, this being south GA, it never even saw snow or ice.
I once got into it with her over whether it had low-range gearing. She insisted it did. I sent her to LR’s own website to prove her wrong — no convincing her. I finally asked her to show me in her own vehicle where it was she selected low range.
She proceeded to show me the “L” at the bottom of the standard shift gate pattern. I told her all that does it lock it in first gear, which is not the same as low-range. Deer in headlights stare. At a happy hour some time later, I mentioned this discussion to her husband, a serious gearhead, and he just shook his head. Apparently once she got a notion in her mind about something, it was impossible to dislodge, regardless of evidence.
A couple of years after that, she inherited a Euro W114 convertible from a deceased family friend. It evidently had some mystery issue with the engine that “no one” knew how to repair, so she batted around the notion of swapping in a 350/350 — and I think eventually did it. Sad day for that car. -
Every time I see one of those for cheap, I toy with this idea of buying it and shoehorning Ford Escape mechanicals in there. If only I had more money and less inhibition…
My in-laws have a history of regrettable vehicles, starting with my mother in-law’s ex company cars, Cavalier, Corsica, Lumina Then came their impulse buy 4x4s, ’99 Grand Cherokee w/4.0 I6, lots of time in shop until diff blew in ’02 and father in-law impulse bought a the dealer’s demo Volvo XC90 I5, also lots of time in shop, until drive to rear axle failed (see a pattern). At this point they took my advice (mostly) and bought a Lexus RX330 which has been bland and stone reliable.
Unfortunately, this one is my fault. A 1996 Honda Civic, D16, 5-speed. I shit the bed on it. Friend told me to find him a car for $2000, only requirement being a manual. If found this, checked it out for him, drove fine, etc. One thing I noticed when inspecting it was the oil looked REALLY clean. I dismissed it as a recent oil change and forgot about it. He bought it, and a week later said it was having a hard time starting. I full the plugs… wet. I look at the oil… white. Shiiiit. No one changes the oil before selling a $2000 car. I’d be duped and felt like A. a fool and B. a jackass. I put a new headgasket on it for him for the cost of parts, and it’s run fine sense then but has had a series of niggling issues. You can generally tell he’s not a huge fan, which makes me feel like a complete jerk whenever it comes up.
My step dad bought a 1983 Audi 5000. In 1994.
He felt like he screwed the seller over, and probably bought it simply for the satisfaction he got out of thinking he was pulling one over on someone, even though in reality he knew nothing about them.
The seller got the last laugh on that, I assure.
Uncle on my Dad’s side bought a PT Cruiser (which he called “The Beast). One year later, his son bought a former car-share program Smart Car.
My mom’s side of the family makes much better choices. Mini Cooper S, Mazda 3, Ford Ranger, I could go on.
Sister in-law bought a former daily rental Dodge Avenger. I don’t think I could have come up with a worse suggestion.
It wasn’t until my girlfriend bought one of these in 2013 that I really understood why my conservative dyed-in-the-wool Republican grandpa and my dad both to this day refuse to buy American cars. To the best of my memory, I have never ridden in a vehicle with more interior rattles, or in such a small car that felt so uncomfortably disconnected from the road.
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The first one was mom’s 1989 Chevy Crapalier. Bought new. I worked at a Ferd shop at the time, and could have gotten her a decent deal on a Mazda Ford Escort.
The second one was her 1999 Chevy Crapalier. Also purchased new.
I was damned near overjoyed when she recently replaced the second one with an off-lease 4-banger Camry.
the day mrs spotty announced we were going to look at a Citroen C4, my heart sank………….i knew we were coming home with the thing, and we did
three weeks ago we rammed it into the side of an illegally turning mercedes and my heart soared (after checking mrs spotty was ok), last week the insurance company said they were goling to repair it, my heart sank all over again
Having owned three MGs, three RX-7s, a Mustang II, a Datsun 510 five-door hatch, and a myriad of other weird stuff, I’m surprised that I haven’t found any responses from my friends and family in here yet.
My best friend bought a beat-to-hell ’81 Bronco from the sketchiest car lot in the sketchiest area of Albuquerque nicknamed “the war zone.” (This is quite a statement, as ‘Burque is grimier than Detriot, and has been so for the past 250 years.)
Car and “dealer” were locked behind a rolling gate, topped with concertina wire. Dude (turned out later that his name was Tommy) made my buddy pull out his money and count it out to him before he would open the gate. The truck actually fired up on the first try, which shocked me, and the three of us went for a ride, my buddy driving, Tommy riding shotgun, and me crouching in the back, holding onto the inner frame as there was no backseat, nor anything resembling a floor covering left in the truck, either. The back window was halfway down, and askew, so my buddy said, “Hey Tommy, does that back window work?” His response? “How the fuck should I know?” It was as that very moment that I knew that my friend was going to foolishly purchase said Bronco, which he did upon returning to the lot, fighting the big 3-speed tranny the whole way. Paid cash, and drove off.
The entire transmission went out on him the next day, and he of course, didn’t have the money to fix it, having just purchased a “new” truck.
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