By Kamil Kaluski
Few weeks ago Porsche took the covers off the new turbo version of its 911 Carrera. The 911 Turbo will be available in the very fast base Turbo and a very fast-er Turbo S version. The Turbo has 520hp and 524lb-ft of torque, and is capable of 0-60 is about 3.0 seconds flat, which is typically a conservative estimate by Porsche. The S will have 560hp and 553 torques and will reach 60mph faster than light in 2.9 seconds.
The prices of these two cars are are as impressive as the other numbers; $148,000 for the Turbo and $181,100 for the Turbo S. This is without any options, which in typical Porsche fashion there will be plenty of, and without delivery fees, taxes, or rust protection. Compare that to a Ferrari or a Lambo and it will seem like a bargain. Compare it to Caterham Superlight R500, and, well, not so much.
The folks at BBC suggested several alternatives to the 911 Turbo, all of which result in an impressive garage of modern sports and luxury vehicles. That’s all well and good but most of us here wouldn’t spend their near-$200k on just two or three cars, never mind one. So, given the budget, what cars would you end up with?
To keep it realistic, at least one car must be something comfy to drive across the continent in, another must be something you can take to the track, and something that’s off-road capable. A Unimog maybe the answer to all of the above, but you know what I mean. Go!
[Source: bbc.com/autos]
Jeff Glucker
Greece. All of it.
Cyrpus, x30.
That was awesome. You need a prize for that.
This is a beer cozy. Made of Rice Krispy Treats.
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Oh god, the heart burn.
Yeah, you're right. That would be much better with something that isn't PBR. 21st Amendment's Hell or High Watermelon would be a much better pairing.
In my opinion, you'll want something more smooth and creamy for that bad boy.
<img src="http://bigbeefandbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/FoundersBreakfastStout.jpg" width="600">
Or…
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The problem is the rice krispy treat alone would screw me up.
Sometimes spheres of interest intersect so perfectly; appreciation for weird cars and good beer. That's why I love this place.
I have a whole thread for it… the forum is a bit… dead though.
http://forum.hooniverse.info/viewtopic.php?f=6&…
A family friend in my hometown just started his own microbrewery. He makes a milk stout and a coffee stout that are unbelievable.
That. That looks like a good way to start the day off.
Best part of waking up.
Funny, We actually sang "The best part of waking up is Founders in your cup" when drinking it.
I had been in MI for the holidays and somehow it was in my fridge in NJ when I returned home. The in between is a bit hazy.
The most inportant option is the only one that is not avaliable, no matter how much you beg there will be no manual transmission.
Oh and Ill take the Ducatti Mercedes, trailer combo please.
If new, corvette ZR1 $112,600 + Cadillac CTS-V Wagon $64,515 = < one 911 turbo S, used the left over $4900 for tires, gas, and track time.
Used, a large fleet of esoteric and hoonable cars.
This is the correct answer, and anybody who says otherwise is an unclean heathen.
Everyone on Hooniverse is asking ' Why buy new ?', closely followed by ' Why buy only two?' , closely followed by listmaking.
I'd get a 911 4S for $105k and add $11k in options, then get the CTS-V wagon. Perfect combo IMO.
$180k would buy a LOT of awesome Craigslist cars.
And there's that 1991 200 quattro 20v Avant on BAT today for under $4000…
Luxocruiser: Custom 1965 Lincoln Continental – $60,000
Track toy: Locost – $20,000
Offroad/Hauler: Raptor – $45000
Daily driver: LS3 powered FD RX7 – $35,000
Winter beater: 2006 Subaru STI – $20,000
Actually, I'd probably just end up with a fleet of highly modified 90's Japanese sports cars.
I'll take a ZR1 + Elise and the rest in used NA/NB Miatas and Peugeot 504s. 🙂
I've got to go with the fleet of cheaper cars option. $50,000 towards a decent shop, then 3 or 4 cheaper cars (probably in the $40,000-$50,000 total range), and I've have $80,000 left over for modifications.
I read that as $80,000 left over for medications.
I think that's right and danleym just mistyped.
That Porsche is more than a live time of LeMons racing. What could be more fun?
From The UK so specced Turbo S price is about £148K
Blow the biggest chunk on a 997.2 GT3 RS at £88K. 928 GTS £12K as a cruiser, 2004 E55 AMG Estate/Wagon £17K , 1983 Land Rover Series 2K, E30 M3 17K, Lotus Elise S1 135 Sport £13K and that leaves about 3 grand for some dinosaur juice.
Wait 2 years + Acura NSX = Probably 911 $$$$. Probably.
Also, shouldn't it be an Audi with the Ducati?
My mortgage + Pontiac Vibe GT + Volvo XC90 + Amc Eagle Wagon + The rest of our student loans
An Ariel Atom and two years off work.
Every non-exotic late 60s/early 70s euro car I've ever been interested in (Capri, 914, 2002 tii, Rover TC, Mini Cooper, 911, 4.5 Liter Merc, Alfa Giulia TI, Jaguar XJ-C, etc) and an addition to my garage. For sanity's sake, I wouldn't buy or own them all at once.
And Alfa owner, you should know that sanity is overrated.
New:
Cadillac CTS-V wagon at $65k
GMC 3500 Denali at $51k
FIAT 500 Abarth at $25k
Jeep Wrangler Rubicon at around $38k
Used:
Oh my god. Conversion vans, G8 GXP's, pickemups, Deuce and a halfs, hummers, loti… who knows.
A lot of tires, fuel, bacon, and seat time in the HCOTY Sparky Pete ZomBee.
I'd go to my friendly local JDM importer and get a lightly modified Altezza RS200 for about $15000 at most, a rather more modified SW20 MR2 G Limited with the BEAMS 3S-GE for about the same, then find a good Ducati 999S, $10000 there, then stare dumbfounded at the rest of the pile because I don't really understand numbers that large.
Oh, I thought of something else to chip away at the mountain of money a bit. Only $33k worth though.
1922 Stutz Special
<img src="http://www.autotraderclassics.com/images/b/2013/04/07/65780237/553-ATL1922StutzSpec_1365312699297.jpg">
I won't quote the description but it's worth reading. That might only have 52hp but it is a more manly machine than a dozen new 911s. Heroic even.
A7 for the lady: $70k
Raptor, because Raptor: $50k
BRZ for my DD: $30k
My buddy's Dodge Stealth to kill to death in Lemons: I'd have to spend at least $5k on a replacement for him to let that thing go, but it'd be worth it.
Comfy — used Cadillac DTS ~$20k — these were really nice cars.
Sporty — Cadillac CTS-V Coupe~$75k
Utilitarian — Ford F150 XLT Crew Cab ~$30k
Total thus far: $125K, which leaves me enough for a kitted-out BMW R1200GS motorcycle.
Yeah, I hope the XTS devalue like the DTS did.
I am saving my pennies in anticipation.
No, really–I've got three mayonnaise jars filled already. And a Bushmills bottle full of dimes.
The downfall of the DTS to me, is the northstar. While a decent and cool engine, it's completely unnecessary for the application. It matched up too closely to the High Feature V6 to make it really worth all the maintenance headaches that can come with it. Therefore, having ridden in one, I have high hopes for the XTS.
Maybe we can start a penny pool.
Hadn't considered the maintenance on the DTS, just the subtle niceness of it, but you're right.
I saw my first XTS last week at a Little League game. Nice looking ride, and everything I thought about its looks from pictures was confirmed in reality.
The car beside it, a Diamante, had just gotten its windscreen smashed by a foul.
But was the bird okay?
So frickin' weird that you ask that today. Caught a dove in the shoulder at 80 mph on the way to work. OW.
1960 Imperial. Miata. 2005-09 Outback. Oh, and a garage to put them in.
I'd get an earlier Imperial (maybe limo version) or Dodge and a '59 500 Galaxie. Both are fine for cross country and track use.
The Impys changed quite a bit year to year during that era. I'm quite partial to the 56 limo used in Hudson Hawk.
The Impys changed quite a bit year to year during that era so personal taste does dictate choice.
Complete thoughts for the win.
That's the one, circa '55 Dodge has a lot of that look too, but the rear is kick-butt also but in a different direction, you know I can afford a few of them, 300s too… Dang even an SD1!
How many El Caminos could I buy with $150K? About 40.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/cto?zoomToPo…
Useful commuter: Hyundai Elantra GT, $20k (Hey, it's what I actually drive, so there.)
Fast fun car: 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage, $70k (spotted on Sask Kijiji).
Offroader: 1980s F-150, $5k (for one in pretty great shape)
The remainder of my mortgage, $80k.
Done! Couldn't be happier.
Sticking just with Ferdy's creations, some combination of 993 and Panamera (993 Turbo and spend what's left on a Panamera or go 993 Targa, knowing the Turbo will just put me in the ditch quicker, and get a faster Panamera?)
That said, budgeting $35k for a Focus ST for me, $10k to spend on a used Miata and a bike, and $35k on a car for my wife (should she actually want a vehicle, or thinks she needs more than a decent Kia Soul), that leaves $100k to put towards either getting our future mortgage paid off quicker, or bumping us up that little bit closer to the house we actually want. I could probably free up $15k for the house or a couple trips or something by swapping the Focus for a nice Legacy 2.5GT Wagon.
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$ 93,000 – 2013 BMW X6M
$ 15,000 – Wombat Buggy Kit (approx. completed cost)
$ 18,500 – 2013 Can-Am Spyder RSS
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$126,500
$ 55,550 – New 40' x 28' workshop with CNC lathe, knee mill, & plasma cutting table.
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$182,050
Wow, I'll have to think about this one.
In the meantime, waaaaaay off topic, can someone identify the red car is this picture? Judging from the greenhouse, I think it may be a MN12 Thunderbird. The other two look to be a Jag XJ40, and a C5 Corvette (a Z06?). From Granbury, which got nailed by an F4 tornado last night.
<img src="http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20130516-groundgranbury.jpg.ece/BINARY/w700x467/GroundGranbury.jpg">
Prelude.
Prelude, I think.
Interesting selection of vehicles. Hopefully the residents did better than the cars.
its called hood rich. being from the hood, i know this lifestyle well. lets look at the evidence shall we.
1. $65000 track-house that hasnt been updated since it was built in the early 50s (not the single pane galvanized windows and shoddy driveway.)
2. $20000 used vette that was bought with a salvaged title and a trailer full of problems for $13000. (note no carport or garage to keep said Vette.)
3. a $1500 jag which obviously needs a rear suspension and a front…. well everything including the engine ( note the front ride height)
4. a $3500 prelude that is the only car that runs reliably and is also the only one that has ever carried insurance for more than a 3 month span.
Early '00s Prelude:
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Early 90's actually, the square headlights started in 97. They were quite a bit ahead of their time in retrospect.
I see two LeMons cars. Maybe three, if you like penalty laps.
$90,000 – Used AMG E63 Estate (this will do in blue http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/3805812068….
$30,000 – Used Caterham with tires, parts, and trailer
$50,000 – Garage remodel to improve access and storage
That leaves $130k to spend on beer and gasoline. The E63 and Suburban don't exactly sip the stuff.
"How would you spend…" questions are easy. Choosing just two cars for that much money is hard.
Well after much productivity-killing thought, I have an answer. I'd buy this stupid-low-mile Prelude for $7k <a href="http://(http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3797860700.html),” target=”_blank”>(http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3797860700.html), and spare no expense on making it perfect. We're now at uh… $20k or so.
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That leaves $160k, and for some odd reason there aren't very many results in that range on Craigslist. But I did find this little grocery hauler I like the looks of. http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/3772389…
<img src="http://images.craigslist.org/3Kf3I13Jd5I35Kf5Jdd4sc9f7790355d51684.jpg" width="600">
That truck doesn't even have a sleeper cab. I think you can do better for 160…
I'll admit it, I know nothing about these things. I got to ride with my uncle once when I was a kid. The only thing I remember was how the engine rocked the whole truck when he started it up.
Something like a new one of these guys: http://www.truckertotrucker.com/listings/188817.c… http://www.truckertotrucker.com/listings/187992.c…
Let's forget the bazillion amazing classic cars that can be had for a small fraction of the price of a 911 Turbo S. Let's also forget the many commonly-available production cars that make vastly more economic and practical sense than the Porsche. Forget the fact that the Cayman makes the 911 a silly purchase even in-house.
The price of the porsche would buy you a Liberty Ace (or Morgan 3 Wheeler, if you prefer the knockoff version), a Caterham Superlight, and a Ginetta G40, with room for a Beck Spyder to spare. Swap in an Ariel Atom if you like. So for track days or for eye candy, you'd be a fool to get the beastly Porsche, and frankly the Beck is more a real Porsche in my book than the new 911 anyway.
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Honda CRX + ownership of a small machine shop + tools.
I'd pay off my mortgage and other debt and have enough left for a 2013 Camaro.
Alfa Romeo Milano Verde QV + all the spare money I'll need to keep it on the road.
BMW E90 M3 = ~$60K
Ford SVT Raptor = ~$50K
Lotus Elise = $55
And I'm left with about $17K to spend on whatever else (booze) until I reach the price of a 911 Turbo S.
I'd be happy with that.
A Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 1 can go off road, sort of (27k).
An older XJR would be a comfy cross-country car (6k).
An older Lotus Exige for the track (50k).
A Ducati 1000S Sport Classic (9k).
A 1970's E-Type Roadster (65k).
A Subaru BRZ (25k). I suppose I should have one new car.
Saab Sonett = $15k
MGB GT = $15k
Opel GT = $15k
993 Porsche 911 = $45k
B8 Audi A4 Wagon (APR tuned, manual transmission swap) = $30k
Morgan 3-wheeler = $45k
Whatever's leftover to be used for maintenance.
"Something comfy to drive across the continent in." Check!
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"Something you can take to the track." Check!
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"Something that’s off-road capable." Check!
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With the remaining $199,500 I'd enter every freaking Lemons race on the continent…
…Solo.
I giggle every time I see your trailer.
😀
I told my 8th grade shop teacher I wanted to make a 1-wheel camping trailer for my shop project.
He was sooo not amused. I spent the semester making stupid cutting-boards and toothpick holders instead, banished to the back of the shop.
I'd kinda like to find out where he lives… maybe do some donuts on his lawn, with my @#$%& ONE WHEEL TRAILER!! Whooo-hooo-hoo!!
May be the same price, but I'll take this instead.
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I'm not trying to be that guy, but… why? I''m not meaning this in the dick way its probably coming off… Just genuinely curious. You could get an AEV Brute Double Cab fully spec'd out for a third or less…
Just ticks all the boxes for me. The FJ45 has always been my favorite pickup truck. So it's a brand new FJ45 built with a modern suspension and drivetrain. Drivetrain being most important as you can get the Cummins ISF 2.7L with 200hp and 300ft•lbs backed by an AX-15. In essence, it's my dream truck in every way.
Good enough for me.
88 Countach QV
03 M5
02 M Coupe
And the leftover money to get my 06 GTO dialed in perfectly.
I can do a ZR1 Vette loaded up and a really nice (SLT) Sierra 2WD Crew Cab for $162,460. For the other $20k I imagine I could get a nice used camper to haul behind the Sierra.
2013 Volvo S60 T-6 R design = $48k
2013 Subaru BRZ =$27k
early 70's Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40=$20-25k
1972-73 Mercedes Benz 280SEL 4.5=$12.5-17k
I'd save the balance in case I got any more bright ideas, vehicularly speaking.
Cross country cruiser: Mercury Marauder with GT500 engine and manual trans swap. ~$50k
Fun car: LS7 powered NA Miata ~$30k
Tow / offroad rig: Unimog 416 Doka with 20sp gearbox ~$50k
Around town style: Euro-spec Citroen DS21, modified for enhanced luxury (e.g. power windows, locks, etc.) ~$70k
I so badly want a 5 or 6 speed Marauder. Maybe one day I'll be able to at least do a CVPI or GM manual swap.
1989 Volvo 240 wagon, overhauled with a custom solid oak dash, leather seats, one hell of a sound system, racing kit, and v8 engine…. I don't care how much money I'd have left, I could die happy.
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Yeah. That. Everything you said. Make mine a '90+ example, though, for the nicer trim, and make sure it's got E-codes and a T56.
I guess I'd spend another ten grand on an old 4wd truck of some sort and a NA Miata in decent shape… but we're still not even a quarter of the way through. Hell with it, I'd buy a shop.
Where's the order button? Today, Volvo is splashing out press statements for warming up an old hit, yet I wonder why they choose that hit and not the 240. http://www.leavetheworldbehind.com/
Used is too easy, as I'd get like 3 of everything I ever wanted. As is something new with tons of mods thrown on.
Thus, new only:
$60k – Caterham
$60k – 300C SRT8
$38k – Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited
$8k – Aluminum open-top trailer to tow the Caterham
<img src="http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/logos/MOD_3150/3150_1.jpg"> I would get the following cars and I would probably still have some money left!
1. Ariel Atom (for the track)
2. Lada Niva (for off-roading)
3. Peugeot 208 GTI (daily-driver)
4. Peugeot 205 Rallye
5. Renault 5 Turbo 2
$182,050. Let me think…
Jeep Wrangler Sport S (2 door, manual, soft-top) $26,870
Aftermarket off-road bits for Wrangler Est. $2,000-$4,000
Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk (What? It's not based on a Caliber.) Est. $25,000-$30,000
Ural T sidecar motorcycle $10,500
Genuine Roughhouse R50 (2-stroke, offroad scooter) $2,000
Honda CRF250L $4,500
Honda Grom (New minibike, coming in August) $3,000
Winnebago Travato (Promaster-based RV) Est. $90,000-$100,000
Kendon Dual Stand-up Motorcycle Trailer $2,800
Not taking into account Dealer mark-ups/destination prices, and using the higher estimated prices on Wrangler parts, Travato and Cherokee, total is $183,670.
Maybe lose either the Roughhouse or the CRF, or lose both and have $4,880 to spend on a project car/bike.
I'm trying to be less of a fatass just because I want a Grom. Big dudes look weird on little bikes.
The Jamie Kitman approach: 20 glorious cars worth $5-15K each. There'd be Fiats, Tatras, Wolseleys, Simcas, Moskvitches, Rovers….
Step one: Buy a Sierra XR4i.
Step two: Take my other half to a really nice pub/restaurant and have literally the best burger and chips on the menu + taxi home.
Step three: Purchase 1999 Maserati Quattroporte Evoluzione and ring-fence circa £20K for maintenance funds.
Step four: Plough all remaining cash into turning a Rover 800 into an unassailable track-day behemoth.
Wisdom and impeccable taste: I haz it.
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I've been trying to talk a friend into a Sterling 827… it's almost working, too.
Probably buy a BAC Mono for around $175k, then with the other $7k buy a late 90's early 2000's Toyota pickup.
1971 Mustang Grabber…oops! all ready have it
2003 Fleetwood Jamboree motor home…oops! all ready have it
2008 105th Anniversary Sportster…oops! all ready have it
Trailer to pull bike behind rv…oops! all ready have it
Dammit, all done and i havent spent a cent yet. Guess tha leaves me $182 thou to spend on high heels, spiced rum, mexican timeshares and well built masseurs.
A used DB9 at ~90,000 or a R8 for around the same. Also a Triumph Street Triple. Also enough money to pay for college. $180,000 is a shitload of money.
From the local list of craig:
Cross-The-Continent Car – 1981 Mercedes 300D
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/3763316091.ht…
Take-To-Track Car – 1986 Porsche 944
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/3802692522.ht…
Off-Road-Capable Car (admittedly, this one is broken.) – 1999 Land Rover Discovery II
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/3792437122.ht…
If I can spend some money flying to Denver, I'd pick up a Subaru Legacy GT like the following.
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3809323697.html
I am not a wise car purchaser. But hey, I have $168,700 to fix all of my terrible buying decisions.
Subaru BRZ for 30000 including any add-ons and winter tires and steel wheels set. Pay off the '08 Forester. The rest goes into a Ph.D.
Then I get what I want: 30 acres for a house and my own damned track after I do my post-grad.
I would buy a used Audi S8 (I like the V10, MPG be damned) and a Tesla model S. The rest of the money goes into the bank
I would go on bringatrailer.com or similar and buy myself something nice every other day. Only to discover that $182,050 isn't that much after all.
New BMW 328i Convertible for wife, $47,475.
Decent used Cadillac CTS-V manual for me, $18,000.
Whatever can be thrown together for 24 hrs. of Lemons, $500.
1990 VW Syncro 4×4 Vanagon, with Weinsberg pop/high top roof and 2.2 Subaru engine conversion , $32,000.
$84,075 left to split between kid's college fund and retirement investments.