The News for February 15th, 2013


Welcome to the Hooniverse News! This is a weekly recap of some of the biggest stories in the automotive industry without the fluff or the bull. I also throw in a little opinion of mine, just because I can. This week:

  • Alfa Romeo unveils the 4C in production trim

  • Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG is ready to take on Europe

  • Audi overhauls the S3 Sportback

  • McLaren shows off the P1 interior

  • A very special Corvette is headed to Amelia Island


Alfa Romeo 4C

alfa41 About two years ago, Alfa Romeo gave the world a taste of what they think a mid-engine, rear-wheel drive coupe ought to be with the 4C Concept. Since that first premier, they’ve confirmed that the 4C will enter production and will even be sold in America, but now we get official images and some technical details a few weeks before the production 4C is revealed at the Geneva Motor Show. 

Starting with the powertrain, the 4C will feature 1.8-liter turbocharged 4-banger mounted behind the front seats that is expected produce around 240 horsepower and will be paired with a 6-speed manual or a 6-speed dual-clutch automatic. When you consider the car’s sub-2,200 lb. weight, that power figure seems perfectly adequate.


Apart from being a rather small car in general with a wheelbase of about 94 inches and a height of 46 inches, the 4C also utilizes a carbon fiber central cell (which is reportedly left partially exposed in the cabin) and various aluminum subframe components to help keep the overall weight down. The 4C will also adopt a 4-way drive selector called Alfa DNA, which allows the driver to select between Dynamic, Natural, All-Weather, and the brand-new Race mode to adapt to certain conditions. 

As of now, Alfa Romeo is only planning to build 2,500 units per year due to manufacturing constraints that come with the carbon fiber components. Pricing isn’t official yet, but Autoweek is reporting a potential MSRP of about $80,000. 

Source: Alfa Romeo, Autoweek

2014 Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG


AMG is officially in the hot-hatch business with the unveiling of the all-new A45 AMG. Starting this April, Europeans will have yet another premium hot hatchback to choose from as AMG competes head-to-head with the likes of the BMW M135i and the Audi RS3. Us hoons on the other side of the pond won’t be seeing the A45 AMG, or any standard A-Class it’s based off of.

At the heart of the A45 AMG is a 2.0-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder petrol engine that produces up to 354 horsepower and 332 lb.-ft. of torque. Between that impressive power figure, the 7-speed dual-clutch transmission, and the standard all-wheel-drive, the A45 AMG is supposedly capable of a 4.6 second 0-62 mph sprint and a limited top speed of 155 mph. The drive split between the front and rear wheels constantly changes to adapt to different conditions, but it’s primarily a FWD car in normal driving conditions. The benefits of using a 4-cylinder engine are evident in the car’s fuel efficiency figures, which claim 34 mpg on the European cycle. Fun fact: the A45 will be the first AMG ever to feature a transverse engine layout since they were bought by Mercedes-Benz.


You’ll know when an A45 is coming just by sound, as the car utilizes a dynamic exhaust system which opens/closes some flaps depending on the throttle. Visually, the A45 can be distinguished from any other A-Class by its “twin blade” grille, speed-bump-friendly splitter, and the 18″ or 19″ alloy wheels. The full list of optional extras and interior features isn’t available yet, but it’s a Mercedes-Benz… that’s all you really need to know.

Source: Mercedes-Benz via Autoweek

Audi S3 Sportback


Speaking of hot hatches, Audi is rolling out an overhauled S3 Sportback (fancy word for 5-door) for 2013. This S3 is much like the 3-door S3 revealed back in September, featuring the same styling and the same powertrain.

The highlights include a clean 300 horsepower and 280 lb.-ft. of torque out of a 2.0 TFSI four-banger, a 6-speed manual or S-tronic automatic transmission, a 0-62 mph time of 5 seconds flat, and 34 mpg. Of course, Audi’s legendary Quattro system is standard and the available S sport suspension and magnetic ride further improve the car’s handling and balance in just about any road condition imaginable. The 13.3″ brakes that hide behind the 18″ wheels as well as the latest-generation of Audi’s electronic stability control also help keep the car out of furry woodland creatures’ homes. Overall the new S3 Sportback weighs in at 3,185 lbs, which is about 154 lbs less than the outgoing model thanks to the extensive use of aluminum in the body and the weight-loss in the engine.


The S3 Sportback will go on sale across Europe in September along with the S3 hatch at an undisclosed price. Audi is slowly bringing the A3 over to America, but no word yet on if we’ll get the S3 as well.

Source: Audi

McLaren shows off the P1 cockpit


A production-ready McLaren P1 is headed to the Geneva Motor Show for the world to see. We’ve already seen tons of photos of the concept, which according to a big wig at McLaren, is more or less exactly what the production car will look like, but until now we haven’t seen any photos of the interior. As you can see, it’s all business, and that business is going really, really fast. 

All that exposed carbon fiber you see there serves the purpose of keeping the car’s weight below the targeted 2,900 pounds (and just looking cool). Autoweek reports that they’ve even deleted a layer of resin on the carbon fiber to save 3.3 lbs and haven’t bothered to put in any kind of sound-deadening materials. McLaren states that despite the sporting nature of the spiritual F1 successor, the P1 still comes with air conditioning, navigation, and an audio system, however, buttons and switches have been kept at a bare minimum in the spirit of a true driver’s car.


McLaren summed up the cabin nicely on their Facebook page by saying the P1 gives you “everything you need and nothing you don’t”.

Source: McLaren, Autoweek

XP-819 is headed to Amelia Island

xp819vetteIs anyone planning on going to the Amelia Island Concours d’Elegance next month? If so, you’ll be among the first outside of GM to ever see the mid-engine Corvette that never was, the XP-819, in person. Anyone planning on going now

Back in 1964, a few engineers at Chevrolet came up with a mid-engine Corvette concept that provided Corvette looks (many design elements of the C3 are found here) and improved stability. After deciding they didn’t like it, Chevrolet ordered it to be cut apart for usable parts and stored in a Florida garage. Since it was discovered and auctioned off decades later, it has gone through a complete frame-off restoration and after thousands of hours of labor, they’ve got everything done but the body. What you’ll see next month at Amelia Island is a fully-functional rolling chassis comprised of totally unique parts that all had to be hand-made (which is why the body isn’t ready yet, according to the press release).   

The 18th annual Amelia Island Concours d’Elegance will be on March 8-10, 2013 at The Golf Club of Amelia Island at Summer Beach.

Source: Mid America Motorworks

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63 responses to “The News for February 15th, 2013”

  1. muthalovin Avatar

    Would hoon all these. Bigtime.

  2. Jeff Glucker Avatar
    Jeff Glucker

    I'm going to use this space to vent/bitch/whine for a moment… (seeing as it's The News and all)
    I'm annoyed and frustrated with this industry this morning. Now, let me preface this by saying I don't want to see folks get fired. Jobs are hard to come by right now. My problem, however, is this whole NYTimes/Broder vs Elon Musk/Tesla thing festering in the media at the moment.
    A pair of CNN journalists just made the trip that Broder couldn't, and they did so with almost 100 miles left to spare. They made it easily, and had no issues. Broder made it sound like he was trying to find Narnia, and his piece appeared biased from the start. Oh what's that? He covers the oil industry? Interesting…
    Now, no other site is calling this guy out – they're going over Elon's data and Broder's recollection of his trip. No one is saying Broder is a hack who clearly had an agenda with his piece, and the Model S didn't have a chance from the start. No one is calling for Broder to step away from the keyboard… but the dude *unethically* fucked up what could've been a very interesting story.
    Now… why am I pissed? Because a portion of this industry basically made me look like a fucking asshole for holding down two different jobs about two years ago. Yes, in hindsight, I see the conflict in these positions, and I shouldn't have written that $20 post about Brittany Spears and a fucking Nissan Versa. At the time, I didn't realize there was a conflict, my piece about the Versa wasn't glowing, and I didn't get paid on the amount of views the piece received.
    Still, I was fired within probably an hour of the Jalopnik piece. They said they waited for my side of the story, but I was driving without a handsfree device, in traffic on the 405, and was told not to respond. They didn't wait for shit.
    Broder writes an article for the damn NY Times, essentially lies (in my opinion) about how the car performed… and the organization stands behind him.
    Sure, what I did was more cut and dry… but I was naive and didn't see the issue at the time. It didn't need to be handled the way it did. Broder knew what he wrote is crap, and to me, that's way worse.
    I hate this industry some times…
    /enough ranting, sorry folks.
    How about the fucking Alfa up there? I'd sell an eyeball for it (and then I could wear eye patches!)
    [I won't be offended if you tell me I'm wrong either, just wanted to get it off my chest]

    1. FrankTheCat Avatar

      Despite how shitty that situation was, you'd still be under the thumb of Gawker if it hadn't happened.

      1. Jeff Glucker Avatar
        Jeff Glucker

        Under the Autoblog thumb, not the Gawker thumb – but yeah.

        1. Scandinavian Flick Avatar
          Scandinavian Flick

          I still have to laugh at the notion of Gawker calling out anyone's journalistic integrity…

    2. GregKachadurian Avatar

      You said it better than I ever could.
      … and yeah, that Alfa… pretty sure it took over my dreams last night.

    3. Wolfie Avatar

      I foresee a great many people drooling over that Alfa,some sweet design.
      The tracking data from the Tesla has shown the writer lied in his "story".

    4. jeepjeff Avatar

      Dat Alfa. Every time I see pictures of it, I feel bad for the models they hired to stand next to it at the unveiling. Do. Want.

    5. Scandinavian Flick Avatar
      Scandinavian Flick

      While the NY Times seems to be sticking up for their writer, they are certainly getting a great deal of flack from it from the public. The NYT has lost a modicum of credibility, whether they face it or not. Since you won't say it, and I understand why, I will. Broder deserves to have his career ended over this shit. Such an obvious shill piece deserves to have him standing in an unemployment line.

      1. Manic_King Avatar

        I think I agree with pch101's comment on TTAC:
        "Broder’s mistake is that he should have driven the car normally, at normal speeds and while using the heater to his heart’s content, and then allowed the chips to fall where they may. But instead, he was trying to conserve battery life when it appeared that the car wouldn’t make it to the next charger. His effort is actually being used against him by the fanboys and the illiterati, who can’t seem to figure out that driving a sports sedan at speeds well under the flow of traffic defeats the purpose of having a car in the first place.
        He should have also made it clearer that one of the points of his test was to rely solely on Tesla’s charging network. He didn’t charge the car overnight because that wasn’t the point of the test. But it would seem that some readers were too busy misreading logs to have figured this out."

        1. pj134 Avatar

          Sums it up very well I think. He's getting berated for giving the car a chance. Should have done 80 at 72 degrees like the rest of traffic and then all Tesla could argue is the car didn't do what normal cars can do.

        2. Scandinavian Flick Avatar
          Scandinavian Flick

          Good thing you quoted that part. I wouldn't have read past this part:
          "Our society will happily outsource its privacy rights without so much of a whimper. The government doesn’t need to spy on you; much of the job has already been privatized, and it can just buy or subpoena the data if they want it."
          They only put the logging equipment in the journalist vehicles, and that's to avoid another conflict such as the Top Gear Roadster review.
          I'll admit to truly speed reading the Broder article, but I got the gist of it. The language used in the article seems to hint at an already existing bias. He wasn't testing a hypothesis; he was attempting to prove an assumption.
          It seems the main issue is simply with being disingenuous about his methods and motives. When dealing with new technology, people are going to be going in skeptical, and I feel it is the reviewers' obligation to be as forthcoming and informed as their job warrants. I don't think he was the right person to review this car. The NYT made a mistake in that.
          Is the car perfect? No. As said in the article, "It takes more planning than a typical gasoline car, no way around it." That's the nature of the beast. But with proper knowledge and reasonable expectations, I think it can be a nice car to own.

          1. Manic_King Avatar

            I can't see the bias. Wasn't all this trial run organized around the news that east coast has Tesla's new chargers now and Tesla was so sure that everything goes smoothly that they gave the car to NYT. That was the main thing I got from speed reading the article.

          2. mr. mzs zsm msz esq Avatar
            mr. mzs zsm msz esq

            I have no idea, but I'd have stopped after "Our society will happily outsource its privacy" cause I'm reading a car blog.

    6. longrooffan Avatar

      Well spoken, Jeff. You got screwed all the way around. And I can't wait to hear Peter DeLorenzo's take on the Broder story.
      As an aside, I'll be seeing the mid engine Corvette chassis in just a few weeks.

      1. Rover 1 Avatar
        Rover 1

        Can you get more pictures? Though no doubt more will turn up anyway,and eventually there will be enough information for the inevitable 1/18 model which I'll have to buy.

    7. mr. mzs zsm msz esq Avatar
      mr. mzs zsm msz esq

      I wrote that Broder was a "dufus" yesterday if it helps any. Also I emailed gawker and told them that – yes, I'm sure, go and delete my account – because of what they did to you. I feel terrible for what happened to you Jeff, and unlike these two who both are still saying they are both 100% in the clear, you right away admitted it once you realized the problem. It's just not fair, sorry that's how it is. The only advice I can give is for you to do all that you can to not have it still eat at you on the inside. I know you would have done things differently now, but it's not good for you to think about it anymore. A lot of crap happens in life beyond our control, I know it's hard, but let it pass. Really it was because others were way more unscrupulous than you.

    8. OA5599 Avatar

      Ray screwed you like a Camaro, no doubt about it. But I don't think you're a fucking asshole over some twenty buck post about a pop tart and a car I'll never buy. I think it because of that neck beard fiasco a while back.
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      1. Jeff Glucker Avatar
        Jeff Glucker

        I had a neck beard?

          1. Jeff Glucker Avatar
            Jeff Glucker

            Well sonofabitch…
            Still, it's the camera angle – I assure you … ok, I suck at growing beards.

    9. muthalovin Avatar

      I was actually hoping that you would do an entire article about this whole shitstorm, Jeff.
      When this whole thing started out, I thought it was just car guys that were into it, and that's usually the way things go. Then CNN got involved, and I heard this story on Marketplace. It has actually become a big deal.
      Anyway, I don't have anything of value to add, but I think Musk's data dump says loads about who's right and who's wrong.

      1. pj134 Avatar

        Eh, he cherry picked his data and even then it doesn't really show what he wanted it to. If he releases full, untouched logs then it might say something. But right now it's he said she said and one of them has a very big stake in being right.

        1. dculberson Avatar

          I agree with you except on the last part – they both have a very big stake in being right. Musk's investment in Tesla might be more money than Broder's ever seen in his entire life, but Broder's job at the NYT, and his career as a journalist, are probably more important to him than Tesla is to Musk. Musk is a very rich man, Broder's probably upper middle class.

          1. pj134 Avatar

            If he was getting fired, he would have been already. It definitely seems like his outfit is sticking with this side of the story.

      2. mr. mzs zsm msz esq Avatar
        mr. mzs zsm msz esq

        I'm just a reader, so my opinion does not and should not matter really, but I like it that it has not appeared here as a story. Jeff's big comment and Tim's reply are about right amount of attention. I like this place for being a comfortable positive place mostly about older cars but the good natured and willed enthusiasm plus humor and intelligence shining regardless of topic. It's covered in lots of other places already and in ways to stir-up angry emotion at the worse places. Possibly if there was some off-beat silly way… no really the personal angle from Jeff and the levels of gray aspect from Tim, that's good now, people are leaving good input now, it in the weekly news thing, but it's not central.

        1. muthalovin Avatar

          Yeah, you are right. I was thinking along the lines of those "Hooniverse Exclusives" sill posts, but yeah. Good points.

        2. Jeff Glucker Avatar
          Jeff Glucker

          Yeah I considered for a moment making it a post… but fuck that, let's keep the front page filled with powered Kick Sleds, old and new cars, and anything else insane we can find to write about.

          1. mr. mzs zsm msz esq Avatar
            mr. mzs zsm msz esq

            Sometimes new stories do not show-up for me until I refresh here. So I read you comment and went, I wonder… Yup, that's awesome. I also wondered something else and… wow, well at least he wasn't comparing to Hitler.. That's not awesome. Everybody here that posts, thanks, thank you so much.

    10. Alcology Avatar

      It's all about money probably. You got canned because the story was going to cost them more money to protect you than to just "fire and forget." BROder is probably being protected because he brings in more money to the NYT on staff than being fired.
      p.s. You missed the classic Glucker disclaimer at the bottom of your post
      "DISCLAIMER: I'm in a bad mood so fuck everyone right now, but it will pass!"
      Plus it's old guard vs. new guard. Print vs. internet. Print would generally stand up for it's writers even if they fucked up. Internet outlets don't have that mentality and generally cave in to the rest of the internet calling them shitbags whether it's warranted or not.

      1. Jeff Glucker Avatar
        Jeff Glucker

        I wouldn't be surprised if I've used that as a Disclaimer before…

    11. pj134 Avatar

      I'm with Mr. Odell on the grey. But personally, I find Musk skeezy and believe that he has no issue bending the truth. It is entirely going with my gut and based on opinion without any factual basis. I'm never going to believe a manufacturer's use of data that is calling a journalist libelous as unbiased proof, that's for damn sure.
      As objectively as I can be about this, I believe he did actually have issues on his trip with this vehicle. I believe that once it happened for him he made it the thrust of his story. I believe that Musk felt it as a personal attack and fit data points to his theory that Broder was out to get him.
      I am loving the irony though. Tesla sets up press events to show how electric cars aren't restrained by the nearest outlets anymore. The car dies on the trip and Tesla cries foul saying he didn't follow their (arguably, based on followup articles) strict instruction and long recharge times. There is no way for Tesla to look good coming out of this. Having worked in customer service, I can tell you that an ounce of humility and respectful disagreement would have gone many times further than any amount of venom Musk can spit.
      EDIT: I FORGOT! I loved that Musk had to point out that his car showed how robust it was from the author's half mile of circling. A half mile. At thirty mph. That's 1 minute of driving. HE'S OUT TO GET US! HE DROVE IT AN EXTRA MINUTE!
      I was hoping the 4C would be in the 40k range. That would have been reasonably acceptable reasonably soon in the used market. Shit.

    12. Rust-MyEnemy Avatar

      You know, I've been proudly J-nik free for years, now. A bit like giving up smoking, I occasionally get overcome by a morbid intrigue to remember what it was like, but…… I can never bring myself to go there. It's a great shame; many great things have been written there.
      Here on agenda-free Hooniverse nobody lets "The Party Line" get in the way. As long as it's interesting, it gets posted: because nobody else covers the stuff Hooniverse does. It's difficult when something like the Model S has to be covered, because there is much to be gained or lost from "saying the right or wrong thing", whether true or otherwise. The higher the profile, the higher the stakes.
      Anyway. Am I OK to dislike the A45 and the S3?

      1. pj134 Avatar

        On the last point, I hope so, I'm right there with you.

        1. Rust-MyEnemy Avatar

          You and me, bro.

          1. fede6882 Avatar

            May I join?

          2. Rust-MyEnemy Avatar

            Pull up a chair!

  3. skitter Avatar

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    Am I really the only one in the world that finds the 4C ugly? I absolutely adore where they're going with it mechanically, but I still find it hideous to look at.
    And those seats in the A45 are amazing. Hope those make it into the CLA45 (or better yet that the A45 comes to America) so I can salvage a set for my RX7.

    1. Scandinavian Flick Avatar
      Scandinavian Flick

      Looks are subjective and polarizing, especially when they are as bold as that. I can see why someone wouldn't like it.
      That said, I dig it… Hard…

    2. scroggzilla Avatar

      I'm reserving judgement until I can see one 'in the flesh'; however, the headlights aren't doing it for me in the photos.

    3. Tim Odell Avatar
      Tim Odell

      I wouldn't say ugly, but Alfas have always been the automotive equivalent of the purportedly hot girl…who's really not all that hot.
      I'm not one for compulsory lust.

      1. Jeff Glucker Avatar
        Jeff Glucker

        I'm no authority on hot cars… I think the GT-R is gorgeous.

        1. Scandinavian Flick Avatar
          Scandinavian Flick

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        2. mr. mzs zsm msz esq Avatar
          mr. mzs zsm msz esq

          You know the passenger wiper on the Mazda2 that is so tiny? It's just sooooo cute, I love it!

    4. Kogashiwa Avatar

      The looks are nearly all it has going for it over an MR2 Turbo at a tenth the price, far as I can tell. It looks pretty good but in my completely biased opinion as an ex-MR2 owner so does the Toyota so I'll stick with that.

      1. Alcology Avatar

        Yeah, it seems absurdly expensive.

      2. Maymar Avatar

        Well, that and at least you're paying stupid money for a brand new car with zero miles, a warranty, and the knowledge that it hasn't had a life being soundly thrashed.
        Of course, reliability-wise, a 20-year old Toyota and a brand new Alfa may well be a wash.
        *EDIT* Also, looking at it, that pricing puts it in the ballpark of the Lotus Exige and Evora, which it seems to find itself situated directly between, at least performance-wise (considerably more Exige when it steps on the scales though). So there's that.

    5. pj134 Avatar

      It reminds me just enough of my beloved. Plus I genuinely like how it looks. Those two together make it a winner for me.
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      1. CABEZAGRANDE Avatar

        I can see the resemblance you mention, and I love the T33, but the 4C just doesn't do it for me. I usually love Alfa designs (I would do terrible, awful things to own a TZ3 Corsa) but that 4C, aesthetically…. ugh.

  5. Scandinavian Flick Avatar
    Scandinavian Flick

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    1. pj134 Avatar

      Can I get a "Musk is full of shit" Gilles meme from you?
      Just for the happiness of it.

    2. muthalovin Avatar

      I have so wanted to use this for the longest time, but have not been able to, until now. Checkmate, Flick.
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      Note: Sarcasm. I love this post too.

  6. Tim Odell Avatar
    Tim Odell

    That was my take on my old WRXagon.

  7. dculberson Avatar

    Alfa: 240hp out of a 1.8 4-cylinder.
    A45: 354hp out of a 2.0 4-cylinder.
    S3: 300hp out of a 2.0 4-cylinder.
    All with decent enough reliability, I'm sure. Haysus Crispies, we live in an amazing age. All that and 34mpg in the A45? Man, these cars are all 10x what I am willing to spend on a vehicle, but they sure do make it obvious where the money goes.
    I would love to compare the A45 with a new 1973 Chevy Vega. Or hell, a 1978 Corvette! You've come a long way, baby.

    1. JayP2112 Avatar

      My 16v 944 was ~190hp and got me about 25mpg around town when 4 bangers were 80 to 120hp.
      That was 1987 and the only car close may be some turbo 4. There have always been engines that excel and they keep getting better.
      I just saw the V6 Genesis coupe is within a few HP of 350. WTF???1!!

    2. CABEZAGRANDE Avatar

      I agree, it's an exciting time. But I think a lot of that is just automakers figuring out how to exploit the limits of the engines better like the aftermarket has done for years. With very light mods my SR20DET powered 240SX was making around 360 crank hp with awesome reliability out of a 2.0L 4 cylinder that was factory rated at 200 hp. I don't think the engines have really made much of a leap in ability, I just think automakers are pushing their boundaries more from the factory. Mods are producing less and less gains on modern engines. Throw nothing but an intake, tune, and downpipe at an SR20DET, and you'll seriously get like 100 more hp and torque at the wheels. Throw the smae mods at one of these already high-strung new engines and I bet the gains will be much smaller. Don't get me wrong, it's incredible that you can get these kinds of numbers straight out of the box, without modding and with a factory warranty. But I just don't think we've really made all that much ACTUAL progress in this amount of time.

  8. BlackIce_GTS Avatar

    I was hoping you'd mention what the 45 is supposed to stand for. Or if AMG has attempted to justify this at all.
    "Fun fact: the A45 is the first AMG ever to feature a transverse engine layout."
    Third. Probably.
    (I don't 'hate to be that guy', but I am sorry I enjoy being 'that guy' so much.)
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    1. GregKachadurian Avatar

      They didn't really talk about the A45 name itself in the release, and I admit I'm really not sure about it myself. Regarding the transverse AMGs, touche. I guess Mercedes-Benz only wants to acknowledge the AMGs built off their cars haha.
      I'll update that section, thanks. And we all have to be "that guy" sometimes 😉

    2. Maymar Avatar

      The Germans have sort of abandoned their nice logical method of naming. The C300 4MATIC has a 3.5L V6, while the S350 BluTEC has a 3.0L V6, the C250 only has a 1.8, BMW offers you a 328i because they also offer the 320i, and 320Ti would mean something entirely differently. I suppose it fits though. I'm taking beginner German right now. Some of the language is really straightforward and logical. On the other hand, there's like ten different ways to pluralize something, and from what we were told, there's no rule behind it, each word just has an arbitrary pluralized form, and you just have to know what it is. Their cars are named like that now.
      I'll give them the AMG 63 though, mostly just because I love listening to it.

      1. Rover 1 Avatar
        Rover 1

        There is BMW precedent for the '45' . The E23 & series had as it's flagship, the 745. A 735 with a turbo.(except the RHD South African M5 24 valve engined ones that were still only 3.5s -so there's the other precedent, of the numbers not matching!) . I believe the rationale was, that without a turbo the engine would have to be 4.5 itresl to match the performance, hence 745i. presumably AMG has the same reasoning.

        1. Maymar Avatar

          Oh, that's definitely the case – just, with improvements in engine design, turbos, direct injection, and in Benz's case, just differing levels of tune (see the C300 4MATIC vs. the C350), it's a little nebulous.

  9. Devin Avatar

    Elsewhere, the following video was posted with the line "Watch a bunch of goats do an amazing impression of the Internet."
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    Pretty much. There's a lot to be said about the actions of Broder and Tesla, but it quickly devolved into shouting goats.